Walmart Greeter make more then 1st year FO?

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ComplexHiAv8r

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Trying to find out if a Walmart Greet gets paid more then min wage. Anyone out there know if starting pay for them is more then that?

Thanks

(its for a bet I think I might win!)
 
Maybe. In 2004, Walmart's average US hourly wage was $9.68/hr. That's about $20,000/yr. First year pay at SkyWest @ min guarantee = $16,530 (2 months @ 60 hours, 10 months @ 75 hours). Note, I'm not singling SkyWest out, first year pay across the board is low, I just happened to know their first year pay of $19.02/hr from a post I read yesterday.

That being said, I doubt ANYONE at any airline save horizon made min guarantee only. Eye opening for sure.
 
wheelsup said:
Maybe. In 2004, Walmart's average US hourly wage was $9.68/hr. That's about $20,000/yr. First year pay at SkyWest @ min guarantee = $16,530 (2 months @ 60 hours, 10 months @ 75 hours).
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Yeah, but the Wal-Mart pay is based on 40 hrs/week. What would you make if you worked 40 hrs a week??? You are talking about airline guys that work less a month than a Wal-Mart employee does in a week.

What is the QOL worth to you??

Not that I am saying airline pay is enough, I am just stating facts.
 
dc3flyer said:
Yeah, but the Wal-Mart pay is based on 40 hrs/week. What would you make if you worked 40 hrs a week??? You are talking about airline guys that work less a month than a Wal-Mart employee does in a week.

What is the QOL worth to you??

Not that I am saying airline pay is enough, I am just stating facts.
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Oh man I wish we got paid our hourly wages for EVERY hour we were on the job. Sure would make those 3 hour airport appreciation sits a lot easier to take :)
 
dc3flyer said:
Yeah, but the Wal-Mart pay is based on 40 hrs/week. What would you make if you worked 40 hrs a week??? You are talking about airline guys that work less a month than a Wal-Mart employee does in a week.

What is the QOL worth to you??

Not that I am saying airline pay is enough, I am just stating facts.
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Perhaps, but are you okay with not getting paid for all the time spent away from home when not flying? Wal-Mart greeters are home every night.
 
dc3flyer said:
Yeah, but the Wal-Mart pay is based on 40 hrs/week. What would you make if you worked 40 hrs a week??? You are talking about airline guys that work less a month than a Wal-Mart employee does in a week.

What is the QOL worth to you??

Not that I am saying airline pay is enough, I am just stating facts.
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I personally think that's a flawed way of thinking. If you are a full-time pilot and make $1000/yr flying a 172, but work 10 hours a year, could you survive on that? Or would you brag about making $1000/hr?

What exactly do pilots "work"? Is it just the time we are flying the plane? Time on duty? Dollars per day? Dollars per month? Year? See where I'm going?

It's hard to quantify.
 
Dev said, "Wal-Mart greeters are home every night."

So are Wal-Mart pilots as a matter of fact. (well most nights. Maybe 1 or 2 overnights per month) :p
 
Less in a month than a greeter does in a week? How you figure that? I fly close to 90 hours a month. If that Wal-Mart greeter is working that much in a week, they need to hire more greeters.

And it depends on what you call "working." If you mean actively at work, then that's more like 12 hours a day for me. So, take that 6 hours of flight pay I got, and you can cut it in half. So, I guess that means I actually make around $12 an hour on 2nd year FO by that way of thinking. First year woulda been more like $10 an hour.

My first half year I DID only make guarantee. Happens when you're on reserve. I'm betting first year FOs on the CRJ at Eagle probably don't break guarantee that often.
 
dc3flyer said:
Yeah, but the Wal-Mart pay is based on 40 hrs/week. What would you make if you worked 40 hrs a week??? You are talking about airline guys that work less a month than a Wal-Mart employee does in a week.

What is the QOL worth to you??

Not that I am saying airline pay is enough, I am just stating facts.
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Last time I checked a 121 (2 pilot crew) can not work more than 30 (or 32) hours in a week.

In a 3 pilot crew you are limited to 100 in 30 days anyway (the same as 2-crew). Your "40 hour week" comparison does not work at all in the flying world.

I'd put money on a full-time wal-mart greeter making more than a RJ fo that is making guarantee.
 
wheelsup said:
Maybe. In 2004, Walmart's average US hourly wage was $9.68/hr. That's about $20,000/yr. First year pay at SkyWest @ min guarantee = $16,530 (2 months @ 60 hours, 10 months @ 75 hours). Note, I'm not singling SkyWest out, first year pay across the board is low, I just happened to know their first year pay of $19.02/hr from a post I read yesterday.

That being said, I doubt ANYONE at any airline save horizon made min guarantee only. Eye opening for sure.
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On the flip side, a Walmark employee will be making maybe a $.25 more after 5 or 6 yrs! An f/o will be a captain or maybe in the majors(if you get lucky) and more than doubling your pay. Still the first years of a regional airline pilot are stinky. It is even emabrassing to tell a family member or a friend who are not familiar with the field.
 
ComplexHiAv8r said:
Trying to find out if a Walmart Greet gets paid more then min wage. Anyone out there know if starting pay for them is more then that?

Thanks

(its for a bet I think I might win!)
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Oh probably! :)

When I was on ALPA COMM at Skyway, I created a chart showing how the folks that worked in the food court at KMKE made far more than our FO's back in 1996.
 
OldTownPilot said:
Last time I checked a 121 (2 pilot crew) can not work more than 30 (or 32) hours in a week.
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Not exactly. We can only BLOCK 30 hours in a week. You can also deadhead, or fly under book (getting paid for the scheduled flight time, not actual). So though I booked 99:44 hours last month, I only FLEW for 92:18. So that's an extra 7.5 hrs. May not sound like much, but it adds up.
 
ComplexHi. I believe you're from Vegas. Here's some data:

  • As of July 2007, the total number of Wal-Mart associates in Nevada is 14,174.
  • The average wage for regular, full-time hourly Wal-Mart associates in Nevada is $10.70 per hour. ($10.65 is the US average)
  • Federal Minimum Wage as of 7/23/07 is $5.85 per hour.
  • Federal Minimum Wage will go to $6.55 in 08, and $7.25 in 09.
  • Nevada Minimum Wage is $5.30 if the employer provides health insurance
  • Nevada Minimum Wage is $6.33 if the employes does not provide health insurance
 
Based on those numbers, a Wal-Mart employee, would in fact, have made more than me my first year if you count "working" as hours on duty.....
 
Thanks for the info, and I live in Ohio. And yes, I'm sorry I live here!

ZapBrannigan said:
ComplexHi. I believe you're from Vegas. Here's some data:
  • As of July 2007, the total number of Wal-Mart associates in Nevada is 14,174.
  • The average wage for regular, full-time hourly Wal-Mart associates in Nevada is $10.70 per hour. ($10.65 is the US average)
  • Federal Minimum Wage as of 7/23/07 is $5.85 per hour.
  • Federal Minimum Wage will go to $6.55 in 08, and $7.25 in 09.
  • Nevada Minimum Wage is $5.30 if the employer provides health insurance
  • Nevada Minimum Wage is $6.33 if the employes does not provide health insurance
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dc3flyer said:
Yeah, but the Wal-Mart pay is based on 40 hrs/week. What would you make if you worked 40 hrs a week??? You are talking about airline guys that work less a month than a Wal-Mart employee does in a week.

What is the QOL worth to you??

Not that I am saying airline pay is enough, I am just stating facts.
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QOL on first year is not great and most definitely does not make up for the low pay. In fact as a pilot you're away from home on the order of 2x as much as a typical 40hr work week, yet only paid about 1/3 or 1/4 the amount of hours you are away from home.

Also the fact that we are even having this conversation is pathetic. Does a walmart greeter deserve to make more than someone who is at least partly responsible for thousands upon thousands of lives throughout the course of the year?
 
I never said that airline peeps make enough money, in fact I believe exactly the opposite. I would, however, say that there are more things to consider other than pay.

Plus, no one ever said you had to go to the airlines. When you signed up, you knew the pay. If you don't like it, do what I did and find another route. Chances are, that if you are there and stick with it, in the long run you will make more than I ever will. We all complain about starting pay but when was the last time you heard people like Doug or UPS747 complaining about what they make?
 
Just trying to clear up some of your 'facts' about QOL making up for the pay discrepancy.

Of course I knew the pay when I signed up, but that doesn't preclude an objective pay comparison between a walmart greeter and an airline pilot.
 
dc3flyer said:
We all complain about starting pay but when was the last time you heard people like Doug or UPS747 complaining about what they make?
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Mainly b/c Doug tend to keep that kinda stuff at home. I do remember back when Delta was going through either round 2 or 3 of cuts, though, that he and Kristie were tossing numbers out there. $100,000 or so a year now isn't the same as it was back in the 90s.

Starting pay is low, but saying "look what you could potentially be making in a few years" is no excuse. After all, the job isn't that different at Delta than it is at ASA. The only difference is the number of lives on board and the size of the plane.
 
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