UAL settles with Buddhist pilot who didn’t want to attend AA meetings

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

The scientific definition of addiction as a disease. What is it?

Again, your question doesn’t make sense. Do you not know what the words “addiction” and “disease” mean?

 

[Wardogg]

Again, your question doesn’t make sense. Do you not know what the words “addiction” and “disease” mean?

English. Do you speak it?

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

English. Do you speak it?

Sweetie, I’m not the one having trouble understanding two very simple English words.

 

[Wardogg]

Sweetie, I’m not the one having trouble understanding two very simple English words.

I understand them. We are laying the ground work for a discussion on alcoholism, addiction, and disease. I need to know what you define those terms as. You started this by bringing up the scientific community. So I was just asking you to define the terms as you see them in that context.

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

I understand them. We are laying the ground work for a discussion on alcoholism, addiction, and disease. I need to know what you define those terms as. You started this by bringing up the scientific community. So I was just asking you to define the terms as you see them in that context.

I see them using the dictionary definitions of the words, sweetheart.

 

[Wardogg]

I see them using the dictionary definitions of the words, sweetheart.

Hey sweetmeat, when did we start dating?? I'm flattered.

Ill look them up and get back to you.

 

[derg]

Sooooo, who is ‘big spoon’ in THIS transaction?

”I want you to feel safe, sugar” ha!

 

[guywhoflies]

Sooooo, who is ‘big spoon’ in THIS transaction?

”I want you to feel safe, sugar” ha!

Their safe word is "disease".

#notkinkshaming

 

[Pilot Fighter]

Regarding addiction as a disease -

At a certain point, decades ago, mental health professionals adopted a “disease model” for treatment. Folks got lazy with the terminology and dropped the “model” part of the terminology. At the same time, it was widely understood that viewing addiction as a disease would remove some of the stigma associated with addiction.

It’s not a disease.

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

Regarding addiction as a disease -

At a certain point, decades ago, mental health professionals adopted a “disease model” for treatment. Folks got lazy with the terminology and dropped the “model” part of the terminology. At the same time, it was widely understood that viewing addiction as a disease would remove some of the stigma associated with addiction.

It’s not a disease.

From the Mayo Clinic. Which I think is a better source than *checks notes* some pilot on the internet.

 

[Pilot Fighter]

From the Mayo Clinic. Which I think is a better source than *checks notes* some pilot on the internet.

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Fair enough. If you’re interested, dive a little deeper. Research “disease model” vs disease.

I have two psychiatrists in the family specializing in substance abuse treatment and have watched the landscape evolve.

Most folks that have a problem with calling addiction a disease have another agenda. For me, it’s more a matter of semantics. Language, the precision of language, matters.

 

[Toobdrvr]

Okay, so who on here did NOT see this coming…?

 

[Skåning]

Okay, so who on here did NOT see this coming…?

We should talk about never seeing a turban wearing Sikh pilot in the US

 

[Pilot Fighter]

We should talk about never seeing a turban wearing Sikh pilot in the US

I have an appreciation for Sikh culture. Last week, I saw a Sikh soldier at Fort Campbell wearing an ACU Dastar - made me kinda proud.

 

[JordanD]

Considering alcoholics can literally die from withdrawals, I’d say there’s some pretty serious physiological effects at play there. But you know, bootstraps or something.

 

[fholbert]

Sorry, I don’t buy this BS “addiction” excuse. We’re all adults that have the ability to make our own decisions.

It kills me when someone says they have been sober for 10 months and people applaud. F***, I’ve been sober for 67 years and no one is applauding for me.

• I choose not to take drugs and be a burden on society.
• I choose not to drive drunk.
• I choose not to try illegal drugs.
• I choose not to steal to support my drug habit.
• I choose not to live in a broken down motor home throwing my trash and human waste on the street.

I pay more than my share of taxes to support these people. People who will always be a burden on society.

 

[fholbert]

We should talk about never seeing a turban wearing Sikh pilot in the US

I’ve never seen a turban wearing Sikh student pilot doing touch and goes at my local airport either.

It kind of works hand in hand.

 

[msmspilot]

We should talk about never seeing a turban wearing Sikh pilot in the US

I have gotten two checkrides a from turban-wearing Sikh pilot in the St Louis area.

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

It kills me when someone says they have been sober for 10 months and people applaud. F***, I’ve been sober for 67 years and no one is applauding for me.

• I choose not to take drugs and be a burden on society.
• I choose not to drive drunk.
• I choose not to try illegal drugs.
• I choose not to steal to support my drug habit.
• I choose not to live in a broken down motor home throwing my trash and human waste on the street.

I pay more than my share of taxes to support these people. People who will always be a burden on society.

So you want me to applaud you for fortunate genetics and boo others for their poor luck in unfortunate genetics? Seems a little too Nazi, so I think I’ll pass.

 

[derg]

I think it’s a disease, but I’m not a doctor.

Even if it wasn’t, I think it’s good to see addictive behavior AS a disease so we can use resources to treat it, rather than the 1950’s version of “snap yourself out of it” which doesn’t work.