UAL $1.6B Loan Guarantee Denied

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United's $1.6B loan guarantee denied
By Carolyn Pritchard, CBS MarketWatch.com
Last Update: 9:49 PM ET June 17, 2004

SAN FRANCISCO (CBS.MW) - United Airlines lost its bid late Thursday for $1.6 billion in federal loan guarantees to help it emerge from bankruptcy, but said it would petition the federal Air Transportation Stabilization Board to reconsider.

The Treasury Department, parent agency of the board formed to help U.S. airlines recover from the effect of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, said it would consider a new request.

"Treasury could not support the application as presented," the department said in statement reported by The Associated Press. "Should United submit an improved application in the coming days, Treasury is open to reconsidering it."

Thursday was the second time the board has turned down United, which filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection on Dec. 9, 2002, five days after its first loan guarantee request was rejected.

United (UALAQ: news, chart, profile), which previously has claimed it can emerge from bankruptcy without the loan guarantee, said Thursday it would ask the board to reconsider. The $1.6 billion guarantee was being sought to back a $2 billion private loan package.

"We are perplexed by the announcement made by the Air Transportation Stabilization Board this afternoon," United said in a press release. "We have reason to believe we are in the midst of a process with the ATSB to make our application acceptable and that a decision was premature. We do not believe that the board was made fully aware of the important modifications United was willing to bring to the table. We are respectfully petitioning the ATSB for reconsideration of our pending loan application"

The board cited United's progress in bankruptcy reorganization in denying the guarantee. The airline is based in Elk Grove Village, Ill., a Chicago suburb.

"A majority of the board believes that the likelihood of United succeeding without a loan guarantee is sufficiently high so as to make a loan guarantee unnecessary," the board said in a statement reported by The Associated Press. "A majority of the board determined that a guaranteed loan to United is not a necessary part of maintaining a safe, efficient and viable commercial aviation system in the United States."

According to the AP, two members -- Brian Roseboro, the Treasury Department's undersecretary for domestic finance, and Edward Gramlich, a member of the Federal Reserve Board -- voted to deny United's request. The third member, Jeffrey Shane, an undersecretary at the Transportation Department, voted to defer a decision for one week, the AP reported.

The board was established by Congress to oversee the $10 billion loan program enacted as part of the airline industry bailout in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks, the AP said. The board has issued six loan guarantees totaling $1.56 billion. Carriers that have gotten help from the board include US Airways (UAIR: news, chart, profile), which received a $900 million loan guarantee, and America West (AWA: news, chart, profile), which got a $380 million guarantee.

The Transportation Department also said Thursday it would support a reconsideration of United's request.

"The Department of Transportation remains prepared to consider United's application in the event that United submits a request for reconsideration accompanied by additional financial information," the agency said in a statement reported by the AP.

United CEO Glenn Tilton and other executives were in Washington this week for last-minute meetings with the panel ahead of the vote.

Tilton told the Associated Press last Friday that the company's 18-month restructuring efforts have left it on "solid enough footing" to exit Chapter 11 whether or not it receives the loan guarantee, the news cooperative reported.

United's restructuring steps have included $2.5 million in annual labor cost reductions and aircraft refinancing, the AP said. Last week, the airline reached agreement with its unions on reductions in retirees' medical and life insurance benefits. The carrier said the modified cuts, combined with a similar agreement with its mechanics' union, will save more than $300 million through 2010, the AP said.

Earlier in June, United asked for three more months to file its reorganization plan, saying it may not emerge from bankruptcy until fall, the AP reported. Soaring jet fuel costs have kept United unprofitable longer than expected and are projected to cost the company $750 million more than expected.

Shares of parent company UAL (UALAQ: news, chart, profile) ended Thursday's session up 28 cents, or 23 percent, at $1.48.
 
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"A majority of the board determined that a guaranteed loan to United is not a necessary part of maintaining a safe, efficient and viable commercial aviation system in the United States."


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So are they saying that we don't need them (or as many major carriers). While I have not seen the details of the loan requests from the different carriers, I wonder how they are deciding who gets the dough and who doesn't?
 
They got the power to play around with who gets the loans and who doesn't. United claims it can survive with or without the loan. If so, why would they apply for it in the first place?
 
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United claims it can survive with or without the loan. If so, why would they apply for it in the first place?

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I don't think United is claiming that. It is the board that doles out the money that syas that.
 
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Do you think we do?

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I don't know that I can answer that. I live in an area that is dominated by one of the majors (NWA) and if they left or went under, it would be a big drain on the local economy.

My biggest question is how do they decide [insert airline here] is vital and needs the dough and [insert airline here] is not vital, therefore does not get the dough.

One thing I don't like is how NWA try's to "bully" their way around. I say that even though I am a former NWA employee. For example, take a look at this quote from a recent article in the Mpls. paper:

Northwest already leases 101 of the 117 gates at the main terminal but wants more room to handle newer, smaller planes that it has ordered to expand its service. Eleven airlines share the other 16 gates.


They are trying to push the other airlines to the charter terminal which is far from the main area.

Full Article - NWA Dominance
 
The Airline Industry should be like any other industry, survival of the fitest... If UAL can't stand on their own two feet, work within its cost structure and be profitable, then they are fundamentally flawed and should shrink or dissolve... No handout is going to fix the root of the problem...

"Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and you feed him for life"...
 
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The Airline Industry should be like any other industry, survival of the fitest... If UAL can't stand on their own two feet, work within its cost structure and be profitable, then they are fundamentally flawed and should shrink or dissolve... No handout is going to fix the root of the problem...

"Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and you feed him for life"...

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but if you take away his fishing pole he's going to starve and die.

<disclaimer> i don't konw anything about anything</disclaimer>
 
Well, the ATSB should be dissolved already, I do not think any airline out there can use 9/11 as an excuse any more. In a press release, United Airlines did say that it would emerge from bankruptcy with or without the loan guarantee, with that type of thinking, why apply for the loan guarantee in the first place.
 
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but if you take away his fishing pole he's going to starve and die.

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No one is taking UAL's "fishing pole"... UAL isn't using their fishing pole correctly, and have damaged it, possibly beyond repair... UAL's troubles are their own doing, no one is taking anything from them... just not giving them the handout they are looking for...
 
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United Airlines did say that it would emerge from bankruptcy with or without the loan guarantee, with that type of thinking, why apply for the loan guarantee in the first place.

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Extra breathing room, and the loan would probably shoot thier stock back up. If investor's know they have cash on hand for emergencies, they are more likely to buy their stock. Right now Mesa has more cash than United.....
 
JEP, don't you think if NWA went out of business another airline would start flying more to your airport? If there is a market for the service, someone will provide it.
 
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[So are they saying that we don't need them (or as many major carriers). While I have not seen the details of the loan requests from the different carriers, I wonder how they are deciding who gets the dough and who doesn't?

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If you saw any of the televised hearings last week, (where Tilton was at the table, hat in hand) you'd get the drift. There is no appetite in Washington on either side of the aisle to prop up the airline insutry anymore. I think they have all gotten the message that without allowing the weakest to fail this industry will never get straightened out.

The cash payout after 9/11 was understandable, but a mistake, as they can see now. It's time to let the market work. And it ain't going to be pretty for awhile.
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I thinkit has more to do with creditors, not stocks. I don't even think United can trade stocks while in Chapter 11. I may be wrong, but I think they are trying to please their creditors, i.e. people they bought airplanes from, airports, etc.
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Personally I think what hurt United was the fact that their CEO said they could get out of Ch 11 and survive without the loan.
 
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Personally I think what hurt United was the fact that their CEO said they could get out of Ch 11 and survive without the loan.

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What hurt UAL is the p!ss poor business plan, high cost structure and inability to execute in a highly competitive environment...
 
Airlines are notorious for those kinda plans. Trust Ron Allens 7.5 was suppose to be the best thing and be never got close and suffered the worse customer service in the industry I think. I planes werent clean at departure time because the contract company really wasnt concerned they were getting paid either way. Of course our moral now is only a little better
 
June 17, 2004 – A New York Times editorial today said United Airlines is not entitled to a $1.6 billion government handout and should be allowed to fail if the carrier cannot make the changes necessary to remain viable.

The article also said the Air Transportation Stabilization Board (ATSB) has provided the service it was created for after 9/11, but no longer should be offering taxpayer assistance nearly three years after the terror attacks in the Northeast.

“Some of United's major competitors have been more adept at reinventing themselves in this new environment, without seeking taxpayers' help. It would be unfair for them to have to compete now with a partly subsidized airline,” the editorial said. “As for the viability of the overall aviation system, there is no need for the government to be worried. United, the nation's second-largest airline, has 16 percent of the market and tremendous assets. If it cannot deploy those assets profitably, someone else will, just as United once took over some of Pan Am's old routes.”
 
Well United CEO said they could survive and if they dont get the loans then its put or shut time for them. It cant be to bad though they bought a Goldhofer Supertug for the Atlanta station. That cost $750,000. And they only use it 10 times a day..
 
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