Two brand new 172 SPs w/ G1000 have new parking spots
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ParrotheadJGR11
Existence is pain to a Meeseeks, Jerry.
They'd make great rentals..
...and there's an Extra for the spin program now? Gotta be way better than the Zlin..
NickH
Uber Driver
Better how? Better for teaching someone who's never done them before? The Zlin was overkill. Better for a CFI endorsement? No, it spins nothing like the basic trainers the CFI should be prepared for.
The sensible thing from a flight training standpoint would be offer an advanced aeros course in the Extra and spin the new 172's.
But, of course, they're both there for marketing more than anything else.
The sensible thing from a flight training standpoint would be offer an advanced aeros course in the Extra and spin the new 172's.
But, of course, they're both there for marketing more than anything else.
T56Maniac
Member
Wow, you need a hug dude! Just goes to show that no matter what you do...... there is always someone that is unhappy.
I like the new installments, however, like I said before.....they need to implement the 172's into phase 4 or they will collect dust.
The new spin program is a step in the right direction. At least the newer airplanes should be there when the customers need them, unlike the "...falling apart Zlins..." that we could never keep running.
NickH
Uber Driver
I always need hugs.
My point is the object of the spin training is to prepare the instructor for the student who spins when trying a power-on stall. That training is better accomplished in a 172.
The Extra (I've only flown the 300) is funner than, well, almost anything, but that doesn't make it a better initial trainer. If the desire is for an aerobatic airplane then something like a decathlon would be a better bet, for basic and simple handling. Imagine spin training were compulsory for Private Pilot students (it should be!). As their instructor, do you think they benefit more from seeing it in the airplane they've been flying, or from a greatly higher performance airplane which handles totally differently?
Using an Extra is like teaching skid control to a Prius driver in a Corvette. Great fun, but it doesn't really translate and won't be all that useful when doing it for real.
It's obvious the decision was part of 'Shiney Flightline Syndrome' to attract students rather than for quality of training.
My point is the object of the spin training is to prepare the instructor for the student who spins when trying a power-on stall. That training is better accomplished in a 172.
The Extra (I've only flown the 300) is funner than, well, almost anything, but that doesn't make it a better initial trainer. If the desire is for an aerobatic airplane then something like a decathlon would be a better bet, for basic and simple handling. Imagine spin training were compulsory for Private Pilot students (it should be!). As their instructor, do you think they benefit more from seeing it in the airplane they've been flying, or from a greatly higher performance airplane which handles totally differently?
Using an Extra is like teaching skid control to a Prius driver in a Corvette. Great fun, but it doesn't really translate and won't be all that useful when doing it for real.
It's obvious the decision was part of 'Shiney Flightline Syndrome' to attract students rather than for quality of training.
speedbreaker
Well-Known Member
"...falling apart Zlins..."
Why because maintenance department does NOT know how to use metric tools? Or because the director of maintenance stink?
Why because maintenance department does NOT know how to use metric tools? Or because the director of maintenance stink?
T56Maniac
Member
Not at all. Our maintenance is great. The Zlin parts (from what I hear) are hard to come by and/or expensive. Cost analysis.....guess this is why FSA turned their heads to contract out the spin program.
T56Maniac
Member
I like your metaphor :laff: I drive a corvette. I get your point.
Crockrocket94
Well-Known Member
What are they gonna charge for the URT course?
bLizZuE
Happy Festivus!
Don't know, but it'll be less than before.
T56Maniac
Member
bLizZuE,
do the 172's have the autopilot option?
There are 2 items (in my opinion) that FlightSafety does not train enough in....
1. Cross country time outside of Florida
2. Autopilot training
I don't want the beginners completing these items, however, it should become a requirement for step 4 and 5. The market is going all glass cockpits that have the autopilot option and I think it's a disadvantage for the customers to be introduced to these items at there first job.
Just my opinion.
do the 172's have the autopilot option?
There are 2 items (in my opinion) that FlightSafety does not train enough in....
1. Cross country time outside of Florida
2. Autopilot training
I don't want the beginners completing these items, however, it should become a requirement for step 4 and 5. The market is going all glass cockpits that have the autopilot option and I think it's a disadvantage for the customers to be introduced to these items at there first job.
Just my opinion.