Twin Otter PIC
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Stone Cold
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Wow, those are low times for PIC ME Turbine. Make sure to check the insurance they have to veryify they have some. Not saying they don't, just very very surprised for a single pilot single twin turboprop ops to have that low of mins and the insurance will let them.
Good luck to anybody that has those quals as that would be a very good job, possibly. Pro, what are the pay, hours, etc?
TX
Good luck to anybody that has those quals as that would be a very good job, possibly. Pro, what are the pay, hours, etc?
TX
Propilot
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The Twin Otter is a tiller-bar equipped, 12,500lb MTOW, twin engine turbine prop high wing fixed gear aircraft capable of carrying 23 people to 15,000FT in about 12 min.
This particular aircraft is a "super" Twin Otter with aftermarket PT6 -27 engines. They flat rated to deliver 675 shaft horsepower per side, for a total of 1350SHP up to 20,000FT.
1000TT and 100 Multi is on the low side for insurance and generally, the trust of the skydivers that you will be taking for a ride.
Personally, I am currently flying a Twin Otter PIC (single pilot) for a skydiving operation. I make TWICE the pay that a new hire regional pilot at the top paying regional makes. Additionally, I am builing Multi-Engine Turbine PIC time.
No offense, but this job is 1000 times better than a regional job...at least for most people.
Chaz, the reason the regionals have such low time requirements is because they are so regulated. You have SOPs and Manuals for everything. You have dispatchers and experianced captains that make decisions for you.
This job requires that you do more than follow the book and raise the gear at 600ft. It requires that you know handle the situation using your experiance. 1000TT just barely gives you enough experiance to not kill anyone when you loose your left engine at 300ft and are heading for the trees...or better yet, when a skydiver has a premature opening at 14,000 ft and his canopy entangles with your horz. stab and you find yourself dragging a skydiver who is despratly trying to cutaway and save his life, meanwhile oyu have 20 other people running to the back of the plane to jump out, your CG shifts way aft, you have a ton of drag from the parachute and person and you are descending at 3,000ft per min. Your plane mr. regional new hire 400TT guy...Fix it.
By the way, Both of these situations have happened. One of them to me personally.
Anyway, have fun at the regionals.
Txpilot. 1000TT and 100 Multi and 25 in type and 25 jump flights is the industry standard for insuring a Twin Otter PIC. 100-500 a day is industry standard pay. this assumes you gave a comittment. The length of the comittment depends on training recieved and pay. Also, you have to consider the entire package...Usually, the guys that get paid less have a deal that they get paid a minimum each week. The guys that make 2, 3, or 400 plus, are the ones who only get paid for the days they work.
For example, chicagoland skydiving sends their new pilots to Flight Safety. That costs about 10,000 dollars +/-. I would expect aboput 200 a day and a comittment of 1.5-2 years for that dz.
This particualr DZ is a new operation...so you can probably be expected to be trained within the skydiving community (Ie, sent to another dz with a twin otter for about 30 hours of dual).
I was hired with 1000TT and by this time next year will have around 2500TT with 1300 or so multi turbine PIC time. During a full year of work, I will rake in about 32,000 dollars.
Of course, personally I wouldnt work for a regional if you held a gun to my head. Im worth more than 23K a year.
It truly is an awesome job for someone with 1000TT.
Again though, they would like to see some jump pilot experiance and/or skydiving experiance.
This particular aircraft is a "super" Twin Otter with aftermarket PT6 -27 engines. They flat rated to deliver 675 shaft horsepower per side, for a total of 1350SHP up to 20,000FT.
1000TT and 100 Multi is on the low side for insurance and generally, the trust of the skydivers that you will be taking for a ride.
Personally, I am currently flying a Twin Otter PIC (single pilot) for a skydiving operation. I make TWICE the pay that a new hire regional pilot at the top paying regional makes. Additionally, I am builing Multi-Engine Turbine PIC time.
No offense, but this job is 1000 times better than a regional job...at least for most people.
Chaz, the reason the regionals have such low time requirements is because they are so regulated. You have SOPs and Manuals for everything. You have dispatchers and experianced captains that make decisions for you.
This job requires that you do more than follow the book and raise the gear at 600ft. It requires that you know handle the situation using your experiance. 1000TT just barely gives you enough experiance to not kill anyone when you loose your left engine at 300ft and are heading for the trees...or better yet, when a skydiver has a premature opening at 14,000 ft and his canopy entangles with your horz. stab and you find yourself dragging a skydiver who is despratly trying to cutaway and save his life, meanwhile oyu have 20 other people running to the back of the plane to jump out, your CG shifts way aft, you have a ton of drag from the parachute and person and you are descending at 3,000ft per min. Your plane mr. regional new hire 400TT guy...Fix it.
By the way, Both of these situations have happened. One of them to me personally.
Anyway, have fun at the regionals.
Txpilot. 1000TT and 100 Multi and 25 in type and 25 jump flights is the industry standard for insuring a Twin Otter PIC. 100-500 a day is industry standard pay. this assumes you gave a comittment. The length of the comittment depends on training recieved and pay. Also, you have to consider the entire package...Usually, the guys that get paid less have a deal that they get paid a minimum each week. The guys that make 2, 3, or 400 plus, are the ones who only get paid for the days they work.
For example, chicagoland skydiving sends their new pilots to Flight Safety. That costs about 10,000 dollars +/-. I would expect aboput 200 a day and a comittment of 1.5-2 years for that dz.
This particualr DZ is a new operation...so you can probably be expected to be trained within the skydiving community (Ie, sent to another dz with a twin otter for about 30 hours of dual).
I was hired with 1000TT and by this time next year will have around 2500TT with 1300 or so multi turbine PIC time. During a full year of work, I will rake in about 32,000 dollars.
Of course, personally I wouldnt work for a regional if you held a gun to my head. Im worth more than 23K a year.
It truly is an awesome job for someone with 1000TT.
Again though, they would like to see some jump pilot experiance and/or skydiving experiance.
well, maybe it is a good job.
But you would have to put a gun to my head before I ever jumped out of an aircraft. That is one thing I will not do. That is part of the reason I fly them, because I enjoy the thrill of flying not falling out of the sky. just my personal preference.
But you would have to put a gun to my head before I ever jumped out of an aircraft. That is one thing I will not do. That is part of the reason I fly them, because I enjoy the thrill of flying not falling out of the sky. just my personal preference.
Chris_Ford
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Kingairer said:----follow the book and raise the gear at 600ft-----
If you had time in something other then a Twotter, you would realize the gear comes up much sooner than that.
Kingairer has lost his edge. 1) that was on topic and 2) that made sense. I want the old Kingairer back
Kingairer
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---------I will rake in about 32,000 dollars.
Of course, personally I wouldnt work for a regional if you held a gun to my head. Im worth more than 23K a year.
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Thats right! You're worth a woppin 9K dollars more! Go get em! Get that rake! And what do you make next year?
What are your goals in aviation? Flying Divers? That parachute catching on the tails doesnt happen very much in airline flying, unless you have a plane full of DB Coopers or something. Drop many divers in hard IFR? You would be the one hanging on the tail in the airline world. Different strokes for different folks dude.
Gear Down and Welded,
Love Kingairer
Of course, personally I wouldnt work for a regional if you held a gun to my head. Im worth more than 23K a year.
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Thats right! You're worth a woppin 9K dollars more! Go get em! Get that rake! And what do you make next year?
What are your goals in aviation? Flying Divers? That parachute catching on the tails doesnt happen very much in airline flying, unless you have a plane full of DB Coopers or something. Drop many divers in hard IFR? You would be the one hanging on the tail in the airline world. Different strokes for different folks dude.
Gear Down and Welded,
Love Kingairer
Propilot
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Wow kingaire, did I hit a sore tooth?
9K more is almost 50% more pay. 50%!
How much next year? Well, even if I stay at this job I will still be making more than the second year regional guy.
Actually, Next year I will move onto something else. I will take my 2,000TT 1000hours of Turbine PIC and several hundred hours of teaching instrument students how to fly and find a jet timebuilding job, then onto fractional, corp, etc.
Yea, that scenario doesnt happen in other types of flying...of course I didnt think I needed to explicitly state the purpose behind the story..I guess i was wrong. The point is that you have responsibility. Sole responsibility. You make your own descisions, there is no experianced captain or SOPs or dispatcher to make them for you. The point isnt to attak the regional guy, the point is to rebutt the post that said 1000TT is too much for this job. I didnt mean to step on your fragile toes.
Again, so you dont misunderstand again. I am not attacking the regional pilot job. It is good experiance and a good job for certain people. All I was saying is that 1000TT is barely enough for twin otter PIC.
Yes, different strokes for different folks. So if you have no interest in this job or dont think it would be good for you, thats fine, we dont want you.
9K more is almost 50% more pay. 50%!
How much next year? Well, even if I stay at this job I will still be making more than the second year regional guy.
Actually, Next year I will move onto something else. I will take my 2,000TT 1000hours of Turbine PIC and several hundred hours of teaching instrument students how to fly and find a jet timebuilding job, then onto fractional, corp, etc.
Yea, that scenario doesnt happen in other types of flying...of course I didnt think I needed to explicitly state the purpose behind the story..I guess i was wrong. The point is that you have responsibility. Sole responsibility. You make your own descisions, there is no experianced captain or SOPs or dispatcher to make them for you. The point isnt to attak the regional guy, the point is to rebutt the post that said 1000TT is too much for this job. I didnt mean to step on your fragile toes.
Again, so you dont misunderstand again. I am not attacking the regional pilot job. It is good experiance and a good job for certain people. All I was saying is that 1000TT is barely enough for twin otter PIC.
Yes, different strokes for different folks. So if you have no interest in this job or dont think it would be good for you, thats fine, we dont want you.
Grabo172
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Propilot said:
That was defidently a shock when I did my first jump run... the other pilot that was training me was like... " OK, now step on the left rudder, lean over, grab the door and lock it..." I was thinking... "you want me to do what?"
But it's not bad... actually kinda fun to look down out of the side of the plane.
I've been thinking of getting back into some Driving again... too bad I'm a bit short on the TT and Multi
MD10flyboy
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Ok probably a stupid question, but can you verify where this operation is out of?
Stone Cold
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"Txpilot. 1000TT and 100 Multi and 25 in type and 25 jump flights is the industry standard for insuring a Twin Otter PIC. 100-500 a day is industry standard pay. this assumes you gave a comittment. The length of the comittment depends on training recieved and pay. Also, you have to consider the entire package...Usually, the guys that get paid less have a deal that they get paid a minimum each week. The guys that make 2, 3, or 400 plus, are the ones who only get paid for the days they work."
Thanks for the info. If I wasn't flying cargo, I'd be all over this. Didn't realize it was acceptable to be so low time on Twotters. Had a lot of fun throwing meat missiles out.
TX
Thanks for the info. If I wasn't flying cargo, I'd be all over this. Didn't realize it was acceptable to be so low time on Twotters. Had a lot of fun throwing meat missiles out.
TX
Propilot
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kellwolf said:
Eh, this is a different one than that opportunity. He cant have my job untill i leave :}. ...plus hes about 700hours short ;]
Philip,
You said it! The Twin Otter is Fun fun FUN.... very very good STOL performance...it really is an amazing airplane.
txpilot,
Yea, I was surprized when I got the job. There are only two insurance companies that write skydiving policies. The time required for a TurboC206 is 700TT (unless you negotiate lower)... and to add 8,500 more lbs, another engine, and about 18 more people, you only need 300 more hours and 100 multi. Make sense? eh, I guess they know their statistics...cant say im not happy about it though ;]!
MD10,
Indiana.
kellwolf,
This job starts in the spring of 06. As soon as you get 1000TT, let me know and Ill tell you if its still open.
To all who are a little short on time,
If you are CFIing, try to get a job flying jumpers in a c182. the twotter jobs like to see previous jump pilot experiance. get some of that and then look for twotter jobs, there are usually a handfull every season. It really is a good way to get multi-turbine experiance when you only have 1000TT...its easy to get that single pilot freight job once you have 2,000+ hours and 1000 multi turbine....but if you got straight from cfi to freight, its a little harder to move right into multi turbine PIC....
But, as one poster pointed out, its a little short on the IMC and Xcoutnry time....Still though, Its an amazing opportunity to build multi engine turbine PIC, you can get that box checked off early in your career and then move on to focus on some ifr flying....