Turkish Airlines Crash

DE727UPS said:
"You should have enough roll authority to stop wing striking the ground if the direct crosswind gust is 38 kts or less."

What do the limitations say? Boeing doesn't use the word "should"....

I think you meant to say "it will have the roll authority...".
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Yes, it will have the roll authority. Limitation (at least here) is 38 kts gust included.
 
Wake turbulence in the flare and all bets are off. It was following a 787 and rumours suggest a sharp roll rate before hard contact on the right side.

I have gone around at 15ft in a Lear 45 after hitting wake from a 739 in the flare, which was seriously nasty.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
The A320 is certified to a 38 knot gust included direct crosswind. You should have enough roll authority to stop wing striking the ground if the direct crosswind gust is 38 kts or less.

Not sure how much time you have on the Bus but when I first started the advice I kept getting was to kick the rudder only at the last second in the flare. I found that worked out horribly. Often, you'd have to kick it hard and as the 'Bus senses that kick, the wing would drop accordingly and it was usually too drastic. I didn't like that technique. What I've found works for me is when I hear "50" I start kicking in a little bit rudder. By the time the second "retard" is made I'm pretty much lining up with the centerline, power to idle, and now just keeping the wings where they need to be. I've found much better results with this technique vs. kicking it "at the last second."
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I had already kicked it out. We were set. Bam wing drop. Had nothing to do with bringing it around (it was the opposite wing anyway). Full scale deflection and it kept going because the ailerons are slow to respond.

Go fly a CRJ, or even a Cessna. The control surfaces respond instantly. In the Airbus it's sluggish.
 
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I've flown in to LTBA a few times and important to note is when you're on short final to 5, you can get hit with jet blast from the heavies taking off 35R (which they use for departures). Also, Istanbul controllers are idiots - prob the least competent i've seen

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wheelsup said:
I had already kicked it out. We were set. Bam wing drop. Had nothing to do with bringing it around (it was the opposite wing anyway). Full scale deflection and it kept going because the ailerons are slow to respond.

Go fly a CRJ, or even a Cessna. The control surfaces respond instantly. In the Airbus it's sluggish.
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I don't think I've had your experience yet. But I've only been on it 3.2 years. And yes I flew CRJ-2s and Cessnas too :)
 
wheelsup said:
I had already kicked it out. We were set. Bam wing drop. Had nothing to do with bringing it around (it was the opposite wing anyway). Full scale deflection and it kept going because the ailerons are slow to respond.

Go fly a CRJ, or even a Cessna. The control surfaces respond instantly. In the Airbus it's sluggish.
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Youre flying a big airplane now, hoss. There's this thing called momentum. Roll rate on the big dogs can be even slower. Staying in front of it is paramount the bigger they get.

The roll rate on the 320 is like a sports car compared to the 330 or 777.
 
wheelsup said:
I had already kicked it out. We were set. Bam wing drop. Had nothing to do with bringing it around (it was the opposite wing anyway). Full scale deflection and it kept going because the ailerons are slow to respond.

Go fly a CRJ, or even a Cessna. The control surfaces respond instantly. In the Airbus it's sluggish.
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Large aircraft aren't going to respond as quick as
PeanuckleCRJ said:
Youre flying a big airplane now, hoss. There's this thing called momentum. Roll rate on the big dogs can be even slower. Staying in front of it is paramount the bigger they get.

The roll rate on the 320 is like a sports car compared to the 330 or 777.
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Exactly what I was thinking....You really think the 320 is going to roll as quick as a Cessna??

Actually I think the 320 requires very little input typically. My first instructor showed me his technique, it's just to grip it towards the base.(Insert jokes..) Less likely to over control. I see guys swinging that thing around on days with just a little breeze, most of the movement is just pilot induced! I guess the computer figures out that most of the movement is BS.....
 
Baronman said:
Large aircraft aren't going to respond as quick as


Exactly what I was thinking....You really think the 320 is going to roll as quick as a Cessna??

Actually I think the 320 requires very little input typically. My first instructor showed me his technique, it's just to grip it towards the base.(Insert jokes..) Less likely to over control. I see guys swinging that thing around on days with just a little breeze, most of the movement is just pilot induced! I guess the computer figures out that most of the movement is BS.....
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PeanuckleCRJ said:
Youre flying a big airplane now, hoss. There's this thing called momentum. Roll rate on the big dogs can be even slower. Staying in front of it is paramount the bigger they get.

The roll rate on the 320 is like a sports car compared to the 330 or 777.
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Thanks I had no idea the 320 was bigger than a Cessna.

Go read what wrote, this wasn't about over controlling. Just doing the flight control check you can see what I'm talking about. Full scale on the stick, two seconds later the ailerons finally reach full scale travel. The control surfaces are slow to react. The stick being dumbed down and mushy hides it.
 
PeanuckleCRJ said:
Youre flying a big airplane now, hoss. There's this thing called momentum. Roll rate on the big dogs can be even slower. Staying in front of it is paramount the bigger they get.

The roll rate on the 320 is like a sports car compared to the 330 or 777.
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"Wind check"
 
wheelsup said:
Thanks I had no idea the 320 was bigger than a Cessna.

Go read what wrote, this wasn't about over controlling. Just doing the flight control check you can see what I'm talking about. Full scale on the stick, two seconds later the ailerons finally reach full scale travel. The control surfaces are slow to react. The stick being dumbed down and mushy hides it.
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They move just as fast in response to input as the other large aircraft I've flown. Welcome to the big leagues!

CFIscare said:
"Wind check"
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wheelsup said:
Thanks I had no idea the 320 was bigger than a Cessna.

Go read what wrote, this wasn't about over controlling. Just doing the flight control check you can see what I'm talking about. Full scale on the stick, two seconds later the ailerons finally reach full scale travel. The control surfaces are slow to react. The stick being dumbed down and mushy hides it.
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I've talked to a lot of 320 pilots. You're the only one that's ever said it's slow to respond to control inputs. Plus you already have 3 Airbus pilots on this thread (one who is an instructor) confused with your perspective.
 
Trip7 said:
I've talked to a lot of 320 pilots. You're the only one that's ever said it's slow to respond to control inputs. Plus you already have 3 Airbus pilots on this thread (one who is an instructor) confused with your perspective.
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Nope. Go back a page, someone else agreed with me.
 
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