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JordanD

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How do you freelance guys handle the TSA records that you're required to keep? Particularly if say you get a commercial student who already has a TSA/proof of citizenship endorsement in their logbook, do you also need to et a copy of their birth certificate/logbook/photo id and whatnot?
 
I think the TSA is the biggest steaming pile of BS this country has every dreamed up... but, I scan a copy of their passport/certificate and keep it with the rest of their flight training records. Each student has their own folder with their own updated copies of my lesson plans, syllabus progress notes, and some checklists I've made to ensure I dont forget something pre-solo/checkride. So the scan just gets dumped in with those.

That said, I think an independent part 61 instructor has almost zero likelihood of being audited.

* Also, dont forget you're supposed to take annual training. You can do it online, it's extremely stupid and a waste of time, but then you can save your "certificate" and set up a Google calendar reminder to do it again next year.
 
According to the TSA rule, flight school employees (and flight instructors) not in compliance may be subject to civil penalties under federal regulations. TSA may also deal with violators by issuing verbal warnings and/or written notices. TSA considers each day a person operates in violation to the requirements of the rule an additional occurrence subject to penalty.
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Sounds harsh.

But yeah, unless you were the person that gave the prior endorsement, the TSA wants EVERY instructor that EVER teaches that student to add a NEW endorsement and copy their passport/birth certificate, UNLESS you work for the same school as the CFI that did the prior endorsement.

I've had instruction from about 30 CFIs between PPL and getting my COMM ASEL. In theory, I would have needed 30 of those endorsements. Guess how many I have?
 
drunkenbeagle said:
TSA may also deal with violators by issuing verbal warnings and/or written notices.
Sounds harsh.
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I've had instruction from about 30 CFIs between PPL and getting my COMM ASEL. In theory, I would have needed 30 of those endorsements. Guess how many I have?
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LOL, I think it would be hilarious to get a good tongue lashing from a TSA stooge.

"Yeah, now go fight crime somewhere else Barney... idiot."

I have never had an instructor, DPE, or FAA ask about TSA endorsements, I think nobody I've encountered gives a damn and figures the TSA can worry about their own stupid regs.

You can also guess how many I've received.
 
rframe said:
I have never had an instructor, DPE, or FAA ask about TSA endorsements, I think nobody I've encountered gives a damn and figures the TSA can worry about their own stupid regs.
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Well, I don't know of any legal authority the TSA has to be looking at anyone's logbook...
 
drunkenbeagle said:
Details, dude. Details?
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It was a non event really. They had picked a airport to go investigate and I happened to be at it. They ramped checked every airplane that came in. Said they were working in connection with the FAA. Asked to see all my records which I simply replied that I didn't keep them on me. None of them knew much about aviation. It was comical listening to them talking to each other on their radios butchering the phonetic alphabet.
 
Inverted25 said:
None of them knew much about aviation. It was comical listening to them talking to each other on their radios butchering the phonetic alphabet.
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They are still trying to get a security fence with razor wire put in here. Through the middle of a dropzone. Across a glider operation.
 
Came in to our school, it was 4 or 5 guys from across the country. Said they were in town to conduct the audits (what a waste of $), there was maybe 10-15 students in and around the office and they asked for each guys records then took down our certificate numbers and names, and wanted to see the TSA training certificates. You could tell they had no idea what they were doing, no idea about aviation. Gave us a few posters and flyers, never heard anything back.

Funny thing was the one student they didn't check was receiving instruction in the FTD, he was the only student who has a TSA clearance because he was from Spain.
 
I wish I knew more about TSA... At a major 141 flight school, like the one I work at, we don't give endorsements into a logbook that I've seen from Part 1552. We get TSA approval in a letter form, and have to take their picture 2" above their head, and 3" on both sides of their face, with a plain surface (no floral wallpaper, windows in background, pictures, etc...) .
 
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