TSA CASS/Known Crew Member Background Check

Wanobi

Active Member
I see a ton of information on Flight Crews but they mainly concern Pilots. I am asking from a Dispatcher perspective. I am a student wondering if this will be a possible career choice.

Background Information:
Live in Texas (DFW Metroplex).
I work as a ramper.
I have SIDA access to DFW Airport. I believe I passed some sort of semi-strict background check to get this clearance. It seems like DFW Airport didn't bat an eye when I applied for the clearance... They didn't ask for any additional information or court paperwork, ask to hear my side of the story or anything.
I am trying to get to a Part 121 Airline and under the FAA Regulations, Aircraft Dispatchers have to be a part of the CASS/KCM program (as well as drug tested due to being a safety sensitive position).

Legal Information:
I have been arrested a few times (2x misdemeanor [marijuana possession 2008, possession of a controlled substance 2017], 1x felony [manufacture with intent 2009]).
Every time I received deferred adjudication and completed my probation. All charges have been dismissed and I was never convicted.

Legal Questions:
Would it be company specific or is it more of a federal mandate or law?
Would I have to disclose my arrests even if they are outside the 10 year window that I saw when I applied for my SIDA badge? (I did not disclose them for DFW Airport and received my badge rather quickly)
Is the CASS system approval/KCM the same agency that approves SIDA badges at Federal Airports (I believe it was a TSA background check)?

I'm not trying to hide anything or like that. I always believe honesty is the best policy when it comes to my record. I would just rather prefer to not disclose information if I don't have to.

I also want to set realistic goals in my career and if being a 121 Dispatcher is out of the question I would rather find out earlier than later. I don't want to waste a company's time to interview me and approve me only to find out I would never be able to get CASS approval.

I appreciate your time, I'm sure there aren't many aviation lawyers on here but I would love to get referred to one if ya'll have any suggestions. Obviously my lawyer had no idea about the CASS/KCM process so he was no help.

Thank you again,

-Wanobi
 

dustoff17

Still trying to reach the Top Shelf
................I have been arrested.......................possession of a controlled substance 2017................
Every time I received deferred adjudication and completed my probation. All charges have been dismissed and I was never convicted.

.........................Would I have to disclose my arrests even if they are outside the 10 year window that I saw when I applied for my SIDA badge? (I did not disclose them for DFW Airport and received my badge rather quickly)
Is the CASS system approval/KCM the same agency that approves SIDA badges at Federal Airports (I believe it was a TSA background check)?

I'm not trying to hide anything or like that. I always believe honesty is the best policy when it comes to my record. I would just rather prefer to not disclose information if I don't have to.
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-Wanobi
I'm a bit confused here; you "did not disclose" and you're "not trying to hide anything..."?
Did the SIDA application ask for 10 years worth of arrests record and you didn't disclose? If so, you may have bigger problems than not being a dispatcher in the future. This is Federal here.........

So AFTER a Misdemeanor AND a Felony drug charge, you wait 8 years and get another charge? OR did you continue in the drug world and it took them 8 years to catch you again? These are questions that will likely be asked. If I were hiring, your history of drugs/possession alone may not be an issue. However, pile it on with your history of making poor choices about drugs over a span of 9 years and you're looking at something different and THAT may.

Advice: Keep clean and obey the laws for the next few years, get the 2017 arrest 10 years behind you, and then try.

P.S. Not an attorney
 
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Wanobi

Active Member
I'm a bit confused here; you "did not disclose" and you're "not trying to hide anything..."?
Did the SIDA application ask for 10 years worth of arrests record and you didn't disclose? If so, you may have bigger problems than not being a dispatcher in the future. This is Federal here.........
I didnt disclose it because I didnt have to. It said in the last 10 years have you committed any of these crimes. Its the standard 28 crimes for aviation background checks. Aircraft piracy, interfering with a flight crew, ect. 2009 was 12 years ago so I didnt disclose my intent to distribute charge. If they said 12 years I obviously would have disclosed it. It said 10 so I answered honestly. Gotta read questions thoroughly, attention to detail is a must especially in aviation.
"An individual is disqualified if the individual has been convicted, or found not guilty by reason of insanity, of any of the disqualifying crimes listed below during the 10 years before the date of the individual's application for authority to perform covered functions, or while the individual has the authority to perform covered functions."
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So AFTER a Misdemeanor AND a Felony drug charge, you wait 8 years and get another charge? OR did you continue in the drug world and it took them 8 years to catch you again? These are questions that will likely be asked. If I were hiring, your history of drugs/possession alone may not be an issue. However, pile it on with your history of making poor choices about drugs over a span of 9 years and you're looking at something different and THAT may.
So I completed probation in 2016 and caught another one right after. Seems drugs just get a bad wrap. If i had a DWI/DUI, I feel like it would be less frowned upon

Advice: Keep clean and obey the laws for the next few years, get the 2017 arrest 10 years behind you, and then try.
Thats the plan. So even though I wouldn't have to disclose the 2017 arrest (because its not on the TSA Disqualifying list), I should still wait until 2027 to try and get a Part 121 Dispatch job? yikes.

It just surprises me that the TSA/FBI background check at the airport (with finger prints and everything) didnt even ask. Like when I applied back in 2017 they said re apply when I was off probation for the 2017 arrest. They even put me on the "do not escort list" and I had to do administrative duties until I applied in 2019.

Guess I just need to find an aviation lawyer...
 

Wanobi

Active Member
For anyone wondering...

AOPA has great resources with this matter. They even helped a non pilot.

Basically there are federal AND state laws that need to be abided so it depends on first the Federal regs as well as the where the company is based (and their state laws).

Super fun. Stay safe out there
 

Boots2Wings

Well-Known Member
Rather than beat the dead horse here, I will give you credit for you bluntness (no pun intended I assure you) for being relatively upfront about all that. But to echo what has been said, the 2017 conviction will likely be a fairly big hurdle.
Not only do you have that federal list you identified, and conveniently can articulate why you dont fall into one of those listed within the previous 10 years, but you will have, in all likelihood, an expanded list for any company hiring process you go through.

As dustoff alluded to, the fact that theres a demonstrable pattern for the majority of the last 15 years, makes you (and since you were rather frank, i will be aswell) extremely risky, and therefor undesirable for a safety sensitive function. Get 5-10 years, completely scot free, and that stigma will disappear….to an extent.

I agree with you on the fact drugs are treated more severely than duis, and whether or not it is fair, I can promise you there isnt a single aviator here who has 2 misdemeanor duis and a felony dui related conviction across the same time frame that is still allowed to touch an airplane, let alone in 121 or 135 ops.

As far as it goes, the federal government (and those who work directly under its laws) will be very archaic, and the fear mongering/misconception of drugs will likely permeate well into the future.

Best of luck. Keep you head up, and be ready to routinely answer the difficult, uncomfortable questions. But if you want it, don’t quit….except the drugs….quit those for good (or until the legislation catches up)
 

QXDX

Well-Known Member
I see a ton of information on Flight Crews but they mainly concern Pilots. I am asking from a Dispatcher perspective. I am a student wondering if this will be a possible career choice.

Background Information:
Live in Texas (DFW Metroplex).
I work as a ramper.
I have SIDA access to DFW Airport. I believe I passed some sort of semi-strict background check to get this clearance. It seems like DFW Airport didn't bat an eye when I applied for the clearance... They didn't ask for any additional information or court paperwork, ask to hear my side of the story or anything.
I am trying to get to a Part 121 Airline and under the FAA Regulations, Aircraft Dispatchers have to be a part of the CASS/KCM program (as well as drug tested due to being a safety sensitive position).

Legal Information:
I have been arrested a few times (2x misdemeanor [marijuana possession 2008, possession of a controlled substance 2017], 1x felony [manufacture with intent 2009]).
Every time I received deferred adjudication and completed my probation. All charges have been dismissed and I was never convicted.

Legal Questions:
Would it be company specific or is it more of a federal mandate or law?
Would I have to disclose my arrests even if they are outside the 10 year window that I saw when I applied for my SIDA badge? (I did not disclose them for DFW Airport and received my badge rather quickly)
Is the CASS system approval/KCM the same agency that approves SIDA badges at Federal Airports (I believe it was a TSA background check)?

I'm not trying to hide anything or like that. I always believe honesty is the best policy when it comes to my record. I would just rather prefer to not disclose information if I don't have to.

I also want to set realistic goals in my career and if being a 121 Dispatcher is out of the question I would rather find out earlier than later. I don't want to waste a company's time to interview me and approve me only to find out I would never be able to get CASS approval.

I appreciate your time, I'm sure there aren't many aviation lawyers on here but I would love to get referred to one if ya'll have any suggestions. Obviously my lawyer had no idea about the CASS/KCM process so he was no help.

Thank you again,

-Wanobi
There are Department of Transportation drug and alcohol related regulations that will permanently bar a person from employment in certain safety sensitive airline positions. That includes Dispatcher positions. While I think they deal primarily with being under the influence of drugs and/or alcohol while on duty, I recommend researching those regulations as your first step.
 

Autothrust Blue

Did Not Grow Up
As far as it goes, the federal government (and those who work directly under its laws) will be very archaic, and the fear mongering/misconception of drugs will likely permeate well into the future.
Pot is still illegal as far as the federal government of the United States is concerned.

Call Congress: 202-224-3121 with comments or concerns. :)
 

Wardogg

Meat Popsicle
Pot is still illegal as far as the federal government of the United States is concerned.

Call Congress: 202-224-3121 with comments or concerns. :)
And even if it were legal, certain jobs and businesses can still preclude you from working for them. The precedence is already set.


I mean we have businesses turning away people for NOT having a substance in their system. Weird times.
 

Wardogg

Meat Popsicle
I see where you're trying to take that, but the reality is there's a significant difference between the presence of a prohibited substance and not being vaccinated.
Im not trying to take it anywhere. The point of my post was that if you smoke cigarettes, a legal substance, that can preclude you from getting a job in some fields at certain business. Like my example showed. So legalizing weed isn't going to change much. Businesses can still preclude you from working there for having it in your system.

And while not the same, the similarities between testing you for illegal substances and testing you for antibodies is eerily similar. Especially when in either case your livelihood can be affected. Choices right? Smoke weed, can't be a pilot for United. Don't take a certain vaccination, you can't be a pilot for United. At least for the time being, the policy may change in the future. I've never been asked my vaccination status in any flying job interview as of yet.
 

CFI A&P

Exploring the world one toilet at a time.
And even if it were legal, certain jobs and businesses can still preclude you from working for them. The precedence is already set.


I mean we have businesses turning away people for NOT having a substance in their system. Weird times.
Im not trying to take it anywhere. The point of my post was that if you smoke cigarettes, a legal substance, that can preclude you from getting a job in some fields at certain business. Like my example showed. So legalizing weed isn't going to change much. Businesses can still preclude you from working there for having it in your system.

And while not the same, the similarities between testing you for illegal substances and testing you for antibodies is eerily similar. Especially when in either case your livelihood can be affected. Choices right? Smoke weed, can't be a pilot for United. Don't take a certain vaccination, you can't be a pilot for United. At least for the time being, the policy may change in the future. I've never been asked my vaccination status in any flying job interview as of yet.
Interesting how this thread is about one’s ability to begin/ pursue a career in aviation with a criminal history yet you’re trying to shift the subject towards your views on vaccinations.

Turn off the television, radio, podcasts and whatever else you’re listening to. Then try knitting a quilt, deep clean the house or go outside and enjoy a hike, ride a bicycle…. It’ll be good for you.

Or if you’d rather stay inside, Harvard offers a variety of courses online for free. Maybe learn to code, study architecture, or Shakespeare:
 

Wardogg

Meat Popsicle
Interesting how this thread is about one’s ability to begin/ pursue a career in aviation with a criminal history yet you’re trying to shift the subject towards your views on vaccinations.

Turn off the television, radio, podcasts and whatever else you’re listening to. Then try knitting a quilt, deep clean the house or go outside and enjoy a hike, ride a bicycle…. It’ll be good for you.

Or if you’d rather stay inside, Harvard offers a variety of courses online for free. Maybe learn to code, study architecture, or Shakespeare:
What wonderful ideas! Thank you so much! I cannot begin to tell you how this post is now changing my life! "Well that's it boys, I been redeemed! The CFI A&P has warshed away all my sins and transgressions. It's the straight-and-narrow from here on out and heaven everlasting's my reward!"

You act like threads around here never get hijacked. Are you new? For the record I wasn't the first one to steer the thread into personal view territory.
 

CFI A&P

Exploring the world one toilet at a time.
What wonderful ideas! Thank you so much! I cannot begin to tell you how this post is now changing my life! "Well that's it boys, I been redeemed! The CFI A&P has warshed away all my sins and transgressions. It's the straight-and-narrow from here on out and heaven everlasting's my reward!"

You act like threads around here never get hijacked. Are you new? For the record I wasn't the first one to steer the thread into personal view territory.
I’m glad I could help out.

Yes, threads do drift, and sometimes go full 7500. For example, since I’m not too familiar with the background requirements of being a dispatcher, I was going to suggest any number of positions in aviation, as it may keep the OP in the business, even if it isn’t their first choice. Aside from flight crews being in the trenches and dispatch back at ops, there’s a wide range of sub-industry that supports the industry. GSE equipment and sales, the charter world is full of people with questionable backgrounds, aircraft sales, and ironically compliance services are all fields the OP could consider.
 
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