Touch and goes on short width Runway

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rajsingh

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Generally, the length of the runway is always taken into account before a touch and go, or a stop and go. But does anyone consider the width? Does anyone prefer to have runway at least 75feet wide or 50 feet is just fine as long as the needed length is there. I noticed a lot of folks doing full stop taxi back at Airport - 47N - and I was wondering if it is due to the 50 feet width. I didn't notice any of them doing touch and goes or stop and goes even though the runway is approximately 3500 feet.

I was wondering if it may have to do with centering yourself on the runway after the landing, for an immediate takeoff
 
My school was a short distance from a 3000x50 feet runway. If we could get a good landing in a stop and go was not a problem. The problem in training is that the student can very easily float the plane long enough to make a stop and go kind of iffy. The width was never really a problem. It was length that was limiting...AND it was educational value that was limiting as well. This was a good airport for textbook short field take offs and landings over an obstacle. I didn't really feel like the student got much out of it if we just did a crash and dash.
 
Wow, Brighton Airport's runway is 24 feet wide and over 3000 feet long, I thought paved runways would be at least 50 feet wide.

Not even 25? lol
 
Typical training aircraft's landing gear is what, maybe 6' wide?... so 24' gives you a 400% of what you need... doesn't seem so narrow. ;)
 
If you want to have some fun go to N85 http://www.airnav.com/airport/N85 runway 13 is listed as 1800x100, but there is only a 25 foot asphalt strip down the center and the grass is unusable, so it is really 1800x25 with trees directly in front of the runway. Only full stop taxi backs allowed. It is a perfect short landing runway which normally has the crosswind. Also, you can go to 9N1, Vansant airport http://www.airnav.com/airport/9N1, awesome little grass strip just off the Delaware in PA. Landing 25 you are coming in off the Delaware, over trees to a grass strip that is up hill and leaning left. Huge amount of fun! They have a great collection of airplanes and you can sit on the porch or outback and watch the gliders.
 
Yeah I was going to say I've done 30' wide with a 15 kt crosswind with a 172. I don't care to repeat it often, but it's very accomplish-able. The more crosswind, the more width you'd like. If you need 200' wide you better be doing the dreaded 7 engine approach in a B-52 with the gear swivel inop.
 
rajsingh said:
Wow, Brighton Airport's runway is 24 feet wide and over 3000 feet long, I thought paved runways would be at least 50 feet wide.

Not even 25? lol
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Been in there in a 152 plenty; been there in the Goose a few times, wheels on either side of the pavement.
 
Another fun one is FirstAir (W16) in Washington State. 2087 x 34 with trees on the approach and parking with the nose of the airplanes almost touching the runway edges. I was on a business trip and had arranged to go up for some flyable actual (the lack of which is a Colorado condition). As luck would have it Seattle was sunny and clear and the CFI suggested Firstair fun place to land. It was. :)
 
rframe said:
Typical training aircraft's landing gear is what, maybe 6' wide?... so 24' gives you a 400% of what you need... doesn't seem so narrow. ;)
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I got sick of watching my students swerve acorss a 150 ft wide runway. So started doing landing at a airport with a 40ft wide strip. Problem solved.

Where is that picture of a 747 landing on a 40 ft wide runway in South Africa? The MLG is 36 ft wide.
 
USMCmech said:
Where is that picture of a 747 landing on a 40 ft wide runway in South Africa? The MLG is 36 ft wide.
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Lots of fun pictures and info: http://www.saamuseum.co.za/our-aircraft/43.html
 
If you put the nose gear in the middle of the runway, and hit the touchdown blocks, it doesn't matter if it's a 747 or single place glider, the runway is fine. (Of course there is a scale issue. For one airplane anything 8000' or shorter is a short runway and the other you can stop in 300' or less)

As long as you get in the habit of YOU flying the plane and not the PLANE flying you, it'll work out. Sometimes the style points won't be as high as we expect, but if you PWN the centerline and touchdown blocks every time, there's a good chance you'll be fine.

I forget where, but I flew into a small GA airport once where the asphalt was just wide enough for the nosegear and the mains were in the grass (it was built that way.). Up in Wisconsin just north of Chicago, IIRC. Lake Zurich area?
 
Polar742 said:
If you put the nose gear in the middle of the runway, and hit the touchdown blocks, it doesn't matter if it's a 747 or single place glider, the runway is fine. (Of course there is a scale issue. For one airplane anything 8000' or shorter is a short runway and the other you can stop in 300' or less)

As long as you get in the habit of YOU flying the plane and not the PLANE flying you, it'll work out. Sometimes the style points won't be as high as we expect, but if you PWN the centerline and touchdown blocks every time, there's a good chance you'll be fine.

I forget where, but I flew into a small GA airport once where the asphalt was just wide enough for the nosegear and the mains were in the grass (it was built that way.). Up in Wisconsin just north of Chicago, IIRC. Lake Zurich area?
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Word up. Nail the centerline and it's a non-issue.
 
This thread makes me miss flying off of some of the 'paved' ag strips I used to work out of.

if you were lucky, you might get 1000 feet of concrete/asphalt...

Pavement barely wider than the gear...

Nastly drop-offs at the end of the pavement where a hole has been wallowed out when the strip was wet.


Fun times
 
I've done a stop and go at Sisters airport in OR (6K5). Its paved 30 ft wide and has a very high DA in the summer with some nasty crosswinds. I did it in a 150. Obviously had to wait until it cooled off a bit so my plane could fly but it's doable. Not encouraged by any means but it's doable.
 
The airport isn't around anymore but I landed at Priebe north of Finlay, OH if memory serves and it was 1800x17 with power lines at both ends. That was a blast!
 
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