Time building logbook PIC

César Ruiz

César Ruiz

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Who knows how to log the pic time when you are flying with someone else and that person is under the hood?, and can we log PIC time both?
 
You have to agree on the ground to who is doing what.. The person under the hood is sole manipulator of the controls so he logs pic. Now if the pilot under the hood also assumes responsibility of the flight the safety pilot cant log pic.. Now if the Safety pilot agrees to take on the responsibility of the flight he can log PIC but that needs to be worked out on the ground before the flight. Now to log the time the person under the hood logs it as normal and needs to put the name of the safety pilot down as well. The safety pilot logs it as a normal flight there is no requirement to write down that you were acting as safety pilot or to write the name of the pilot that was under the hood. One catch to look out for is both of you logging XC time because that requires a take off and landing to count as XC time and you both cant preform the take off and landing so only one gets to count the take off and landing and thus one counts the XC time. Be careful with that, a FAA inspector told me she has to through out XC hours all the time because of incorrect logging of time..
 
SteveC said:
Thanks to @MidlifeFlyer check this out for some more answers: http://midlifeflight.com/wordpress/flying-faq/faq/
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Thanks but, as Terry warned, there are limits when we start to talk about cross country time. Except perhaps in the" true" multiple-pilot crew situation (2-pilot aircraft or Part 135 passenger operation, for example), more than one pilot may not log cross country time.

You probably got to my faq with the temporary link on my old faq page. I guess it's time to start updating, huh?

EDIT: No time like now. Proofreading errors appreciated.
 
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Terry said:
You have to agree on the ground to who is doing what.. The person under the hood is sole manipulator of the controls so he logs pic. Now if the pilot under the hood also assumes responsibility of the flight the safety pilot cant log pic.. Now if the Safety pilot agrees to take on the responsibility of the flight he can log PIC but that needs to be worked out on the ground before the flight. Now to log the time the person under the hood logs it as normal and needs to put the name of the safety pilot down as well. The safety pilot logs it as a normal flight there is no requirement to write down that you were acting as safety pilot or to write the name of the pilot that was under the hood. One catch to look out for is both of you logging XC time because that requires a take off and landing to count as XC time and you both cant preform the take off and landing so only one gets to count the take off and landing and thus one counts the XC time. Be careful with that, a FAA inspector told me she has to through out XC hours all the time because of incorrect logging of time..
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This. Only the pilot who is taking off and landing can count the Cross Country time.
 
There's no limit to how many take offs and landings can be done in a flight. And there's no limit to how many times PIC or sole manipulator of controls can change per flight. Meet the requirements of XC in your time as PIC and log what you want. Do dock the non PIC time appropriately though.

Ok, so I just read the 2009 Hilliard Opinion. It seems like they just don't like it being legal so the rationale and contemplations come out. If you switch in a PIC landing, then nobody can log XC. That landing disqualifies both pilots from "aeronautical experience flying a significant distance to and landing at an airport that is not the pilot's home airport."

Take this a step further and look at a multi-day trip. If you switch off manipulator of controls once then no XC experience is being gained for the entire trip. It seems clearly wrong now. So then log it as separate flights, right? Well, I'll take that a step further in the other direction. I'll take off first solo, allow the safety pilot to fly the entire flight, then kick them out again and do a landing on my own. Then it's up to me to log one or separate flights.
 
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Different question. While doing aerial survey with a two man crew, can we both log pic? I've heard one is considered a safety pilot therefore we fall under the category stated above. Not sure though. Any thoughts?
 
jim511 said:
Different question. While doing aerial survey with a two man crew, can we both log pic? I've heard one is considered a safety pilot therefore we fall under the category stated above. Not sure though. Any thoughts?
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Most definitely, no.
 
Terry said:
No your still Part 91
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The reason I asked was because the left seat if flying the line as we call it. His eyes are inside at all times. The second pilot is there to see and avoid traffic. The only difference is the pilot flying the line is not under the hood but he is still following the line. Kind of like flying the localizer.
 
jim511 said:
The reason I asked was because the left seat if flying the line as we call it. His eyes are inside at all times. The second pilot is there to see and avoid traffic. The only difference is the pilot flying the line is not under the hood but he is still following the line. Kind of like flying the localizer.
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You can certainly do both. There's no exemptions for company policies.
 
jim511 said:
The reason I asked was because the left seat if flying the line as we call it. His eyes are inside at all times. The second pilot is there to see and avoid traffic. The only difference is the pilot flying the line is not under the hood but he is still following the line. Kind of like flying the localizer.
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I'm flying single pilot aerial survey and there is no way what I'm doing is anywhere near simulated instrument conditions. You're in a Part 91 single pilot aircraft. Unless you want the one guy under the hood the entire time, you can not log any time you are not the sole manipulator of the controls.
 
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