"The real world never uses checklists"

Nice work MikeD :D

Though I don't yet fly a sexy grey or black jet (just a clownish looking orange and white one), I have found that although the ladies think its exciting, it's mostly middle aged men and boys who really think jet pilots are cool. Most women I have met (including my fiancee) have minimal interest in my job.....in other words, if you can't pull ladies as a civilian working a desk job, the "I'm a jet pilot" line is probably not going to get you much further. That and I look like I'm a young college student so I don't think they would believe me anyway ;)
 
yeah i mean, as stated before, the whole "im a pilot" crap doesnt offset the total lameness and social ineptitude of most hapless dweebs....

but when used properly it really can take you up a notch or two.
 
///AMG said:
it's mostly middle aged men and boys who really think jet pilots are cool.
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An old crusty fighter pilot told me when I was in UPT:

"Son, only two types of people give two s that you're a fighter pilot: other pilots, and little kids."
 
nocturnalaviator said:
HAHA!!! I remember this article when I first started at PRC in 04! We all laughed. Yes, they seem to be living in the 90s with "top gun" in their veins! :rotfl: Thanks for the memory! :beer:
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Kind of funny and sort of on topic. I was training some foreign guys and we were on a longer X/C. So we started to chat and I asked what made him want to become a pilot. He said, "Top Gun."

I smiled.
 
higney85 said:
Just for those who aren't taking checklists and pre-flights seriously... Dequals are being handed out like halloween candy for those at 121 ops who aren't doing proper pre-flights and not using checklists IN HAND and PROPER SIDE UP. It's not a "plus" to memorize the checklists....... at least at my company.. Use em or get used to using them- whether a C-152 or a 747.
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That reminds me of some guys at 9E bigtime...

I would ask them to at least make me think they were reading from the checklist. Memorizing it is not cool.

Some CA's harped on me for reading from the checklist while I was there.... One of the many reasons couldn't get over to the left seat fast enough. "You've been on this thing a year, you don't need to read that thing!"
 
PeanuckleCRJ said:
That reminds me of some guys at 9E bigtime...

I would ask them to at least make me think they were reading from the checklist. Memorizing it is not cool.

Some CA's harped on me for reading from the checklist while I was there.... One of the many reasons couldn't get over to the left seat fast enough. "You've been on this thing a year, you don't need to read that thing!"
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If a CA ever said that to me, I would be getting off the plane at the next stop. I don't care if it was a outstation or not.
 
PeanuckleCRJ said:
That reminds me of some guys at 9E bigtime...

I would ask them to at least make me think they were reading from the checklist. Memorizing it is not cool.
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Its good to know that you guys don't memorize everything. I could rail on a certain place that I did training at for making us memorize basically the entire checklist, but I'll leave it unnamed. Nothing better than "failing" a lesson because I don't have the checklist for the run-up procedure in a measly 172.
 
Memorizing for single pilot is almost mandatory in my opinion. You have to have it memorized incase it's too bumpy to hold onto the checklist, or you're too busy trying to fly the airplane to read the thing, or it falls someplace where you can't reach it, etc..

Its a checklist, not a do list, you do all of the things in your flow, then look at the list and make sure they're all completed. Especially the emergency ones. I don't want to pull out the checklist if I have an engine fire/failure in flight. I may not have much time before I plant it in if I don't do something immediately. I'll check it once the situation is under control (power restored, fire extinguished, or initial immediate action items accomplished).
 
ppragman said:
Memorizing for single pilot is almost mandatory in my opinion. You have to have it memorized incase it's too bumpy to hold onto the checklist, or you're too busy trying to fly the airplane to read the thing, or it falls someplace where you can't reach it, etc..

Its a checklist, not a do list, you do all of the things in your flow, then look at the list and make sure they're all completed. Especially the emergency ones. I don't want to pull out the checklist if I have an engine fire/failure in flight. I may not have much time before I plant it in if I don't do something immediately. I'll check it once the situation is under control (power restored, fire extinguished, or initial immediate action items accomplished).
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I fly single pilot IFR, always used the checklist, I flew with guys that used "flows" and they seem to always skip something, or do it out of order. not that it matters... but each to their own. I memorize flows for emergencies but I fly to many different airplanes to memorize flows for each one. Using a checklist as a do list always worked for me without a problem.
 
ppragman said:
Memorizing for single pilot is almost mandatory in my opinion. You have to have it memorized incase it's too bumpy to hold onto the checklist, or you're too busy trying to fly the airplane to read the thing, or it falls someplace where you can't reach it, etc..

Its a checklist, not a do list, you do all of the things in your flow, then look at the list and make sure they're all completed. Especially the emergency ones. I don't want to pull out the checklist if I have an engine fire/failure in flight. I may not have much time before I plant it in if I don't do something immediately. I'll check it once the situation is under control (power restored, fire extinguished, or initial immediate action items accomplished).
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Um.... whoops.

I don't think you understand what the phrase "checklist, not a do-list" means. A checklist is used to verify that things were done. I would suggest revisiting your school of thought...
 
PeanuckleCRJ said:
Um.... whoops.

I don't think you understand what the phrase "checklist, not a do-list" means. A checklist is used to verify that things were done. I would suggest revisiting your school of thought...
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I'm flying a single, so if I lose one off the end of the runway I don't have time to do anything other than "Switch tanks, boost pump on, mixture rich alt air on, c'mon restart...DAMMIT!" before trying to shut everything off and planting it in the weeds.

I use my checklist to verify if my flows were done properly. Having had the checklist fall out my hands in rough weather and land someplace that was inaccessable, I think it's generally a good idea to know everything that's on it by heart. Just because you have it memorized doesn't mean you don't use it.
 
ppragman said:
I'm flying a single, so if I lose one off the end of the runway I don't have time to do anything other than "Switch tanks, boost pump on, mixture rich alt air on, c'mon restart...DAMMIT!" before trying to shut everything off and planting it in the weeds.

I use my checklist to verify if my flows were done properly. Having had the checklist fall out my hands in rough weather and land someplace that was inaccessable, I think it's generally a good idea to know everything that's on it by heart. Just because you have it memorized doesn't mean you don't use it.
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Those are good memory "immediate action" items to ensure you have down pat in a single. That does not excuse poor checklist usage in normal ops or in emergencies where you have more time.
 
PeanuckleCRJ said:
Those are good memory "immediate action" items to ensure you have down pat in a single. That does not excuse poor checklist usage in normal ops or in emergencies where you have more time.
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I really think that this needs to be stressed more. I want to make sure that when my engine is gone, that I am nicely positioned over landable terrain with some altitude to lose before I start fumbling with a checklist.
Too often in training the checklist is shoved in my face before I am even at Vg and have any idea where I am going to land. It would be a real shame to drift away or come up short on a landing because you are too busy reading the order in which to shut everything off while you are trying to fly a 700' pattern around a field.
 
PeanuckleCRJ said:
Those are good memory "immediate action" items to ensure you have down pat in a single. That does not excuse poor checklist usage in normal ops or in emergencies where you have more time.
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That's not what I'm getting at here, I think we're talking about two different things. Just because I have the checklist memorized doesn't mean that I don't use it. In fact, I think its important to have it memorized single pilot (ymmv) in case you can't get to it for whatever reason (which has happened to me before). That's not to say that I don't use the damn thing, or that I'm trying to be a cowboy, I'm human and forget plenty, which is my primary motivation for using the thing, that being said I don't think it hurts anything to have it memorized, in fact, it could be an asset.

Hell, I still remember the Before take off checklist at ACE.

Flaps Takeoff before takeoff check,
Flight Instruments, up and errect, no splits no flags, 29.XX in the box
Avionics, good squawk, good altitude, GPS is set..
Trims, one, two, three set and on.
Flaps, set and indicating takeoff
Flight Controlls, Checked
Autofeather, Armed
Ice Protection, Standard Six, the Boards and the windshield heat (or something similar)
Takeoff Briefing, "blah blah blah, 114, 118, 119, 125, Anchorage 4 departure"
Complete to the Line.

That doesn't mean we didn't use the checklist. We read every item off it. Or the captains would do their flow, then call response it. Same thing in the single. I do my flow, then check it with the list, or is that verboten?
 
tlewis95 said:
I really think that this needs to be stressed more. I want to make sure that when my engine is gone, that I am nicely positioned over landable terrain with some altitude to lose before I start fumbling with a checklist.
Too often in training the checklist is shoved in my face before I am even at Vg and have any idea where I am going to land. It would be a real shame to drift away or come up short on a landing because you are too busy reading the order in which to shut everything off while you are trying to fly a 700' pattern around a field.
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This is what I'm getting at, clearly you're more articulate than I am.
 
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