The latest on Delta

I'm not gonna subscribe... is it really long? if so, then don't post it.. I'll hear about it when "the master of the house" gets home! hahahaha
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I'm not gonna subscribe... is it really long? if so, then don't post it.. I'll hear about it when "the master of the house" gets home! hahahaha
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Two ha's is just kidding around. 4 ha's is getting serious. I think my house is about a 5 on the ha scale as far as me being "master of the house".

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Heres the article

Delta Air Lines must cut costs even more than anticipated, Chief Executive Gerald Grinstein says.

In a memo to employees Tuesday, Grinstein mentioned — but did not confirm — a published report saying Delta will ask for $1 billion a year in concessions when negotiations with pilots resume in the next few weeks. That would be a little more than 11 percent more in cost savings than past proposals sought

Though he didn't give a number, Grinstein said it is "painfully clear that last year's estimate of the cost savings we will need if Delta is to survive and compete is no longer valid."

Previously, Delta had asked its 7,200 pilots — the highest-paid in the industry — for a 30 percent pay cut and work rule changes that would cut total pilot costs by almost $900 million annually. The pilots have offered about one-third of that, although they recently agreed to resume talks and make a fresh proposal this summer.

A Delta spokesman would not confirm the $1 billion figure, reported Tuesday in USA Today and attributed to an unnamed source.

"We have not publicly shared any potential numbers pertaining to how much a reduction in pilot costs will be needed going forward," said the spokesman, John Kennedy.

A separate memo from a flight operations executive sought to squelch any idea that management planted the USA Today report. "[Grinstein] has been steadfast in his efforts to keep all negotiations where they belong — at the negotiating table; thus, we will not introduce any new proposals through the media," Dean Bloom, director of flight operations, said in a message to pilot managers.

Grinstein's brief memo reiterated one six days ago, in which he noted that "financial pressure on Delta grows more urgent with each passing day." Grinstein said the company already has been able to wring out almost $1.8 billion in costs.

"But costs continue to outpace revenues, with no improvement in sight," Grinstein said. "It's obvious we need to do more and we need to do it quickly."

A spokeswoman for the pilots union said pilots are working on a "comprehensive proposal" to present within the next few weeks. Any pilot cuts must be part of an overall restructuring, said Karen Miller of the Air Line Pilots Association.

Negotiations originally were to resume in late August but have been moved up, said Robert Mann of R.W. Mann & Co., an aviation consulting firm.

"It shows a realization on the part of the pilots group that this is an issue that needs to be addressed sooner rather than later," Mann said.

One factor putting extra pressure on Delta pilots, he added, is that United Airlines is expected to ask for even more cuts from its pilots after it was denied a federal loan guarantee. United won $1.1 billion in concessions from its pilots last year.

Delta has said all along that it would ask for deeper cuts from the pilots if nothing can be worked out before talks on a new contract start, said Philip Baggaley, an analyst at Standard & Poor's. If Delta goes into bankruptcy, the cuts would be greater still, he said.

"They're saying, 'Let's talk now because it's only going to get worse, not better,' " he said.

Also on Tuesday, Delta said June traffic rose 16.6 percent from the same month a year ago, offsetting a 14.6 percent capacity increase as the airline added more flights. Delta filled an unusually high 81.9 percent of its seats in the month, up 1.4 points.

The strongest traffic and capacity gains were at subsidiaries Comair and Atlantic Southeast Airlines, as well as on international routes.

Delta and several other big airlines are filling planes this summer, but the growing clout of discount airlines forces all carriers to hold down fares. For bigger airlines, the lower average fares don't cover costs.

 
Kristie you know you are going to make Doug think he really is in control by saying that...
 
And this one is new also in todays AJC

ajc.com > Business > Delta

Shareholders brace for Delta turbulence

By ROBERT LUKE
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 07/06/04


When Delta Air Lines' management and pilots union negotiators meet later this month, Bob Kindred hopes there will be a symbolic empty chair at the table, with a placard that reads: "Shareholders."

"Whenever they get into these kinds of negotiations, it seems that shareholders are not represented at the table," said Kindred, a Delta stockholder. "It's just my feeling.

Kindred is among thousands of Delta shareholders who wonder what will happen to their investment if the airline and its pilots, suppliers and other creditors don't agree on enough concessions to stave off bankruptcy. Concerned shareholders include employees with some of their 401(k)s in Delta stock, mutual fund holders and small investors who have considered the airline a good bet.

If history is a guide, a Chapter 11 filing would likely wipe out the worth of Delta's common stock, and severely cut the value of its preferred stock and many of its bonds.

Already, those who've held Delta shares for the past few years have seen the stock value savaged. Shares that peaked at $71.50 in early 1999 closed Tuesday at $6.59. The question for longer-term stockholders is whether the shares will be rendered worthless in a Chapter 11 case or will slowly regain value.

Those thinking of buying now, while the price is low, face an even simpler question: Do you feel lucky?

Some speculators known as short-sellers are betting that Delta shares — which tumbled as low as $4.53 in May — are richly priced, even at their current depressed value.

As of mid-June, short-sellers had sold more than 56 million shares, or nearly 46 percent of the shares outstanding — an unusually high amount that reflected a conviction things would get worse before they get better. The short-sellers borrowed the shares from brokers, aiming to replace the borrowed shares by buying them back at a lower price, pocketing the difference as profit.

Of course, if Delta's stock goes up, they lose.

Some analysts, such as Ray Neidl of Blaylock Partners and Jamie Baker of J.P. Morgan Securities, agree that more bumps are in store for Delta shares even if a Chapter 11 filing is averted. For starters, Delta and its pilots union are expected to resume pay-cut talks later this month, which will likely fuel fresh speculation about bankruptcy.

"Come August, as the talks start, the shares could come under pressure," said Neidl, who has a "sell" rating on the stock. He predicts Delta's shares could head south of $4.

A higher probability

Investors intent on bargain hunting should beware, said Baker, who nevertheless has an "overweight" rating on the shares.

"With Chapter 11 rhetoric likely to worsen as summer progresses and lenders, including labor, likely to initially resist, we think the probability [of bankruptcy] once again moves up," the analyst said in a note to clients last month. "We'd rather wait [to buy] until it does."

The betting is that Delta eventually will be able to cobble a deal with its employees and creditors and stave off bankruptcy.

"I think there's a 1-in-4 chance Delta will wind up in bankruptcy," Neidl said.

If Delta is able to get concessions, Neidl suggests, shares could shoot to $13. Baker figures the price could go as high as $15.

When AMR, the parent of American Airlines, faced bankruptcy, its shares finished as low as $1.41 in March. The price of those shares tripled three weeks later when the carrier reached a deal with its pilots. AMR's shares eventually rose to close as high as $17.38 in January but have since retreated to around $12.

'Dangerous' investment

Still, Neidl contends "it's a little dangerous in the short term" to buy Delta's shares. He noted, for example, that besides concessions, Delta also needs a boost in revenue and cash flow. Delta's expenses now outstrip revenue, causing it to dip into its pile of unrestricted cash, which totaled $2.2 billion at March 31.

"In the fall, if cash declines, the stock can go to as low as $2," Neidl said.

Baker lists other risks as well, including the possibility of a weakening economy, higher fuel prices or a terrorist attack. While the last three years have been especially rough on airline stocks, volatility is nothing new in the industry.

Airline stocks — with a few exceptions, such as discounter Southwest Airlines — have been poor investments for buy-and-hold investors. An investor who bought 1,000 shares of Delta for $45,250 on June 30, 1994, would have seen that investment drop nearly 69 percent to $14,240 a decade later.

So it's not surprising that 92 percent of Delta's outstanding shares are held by institutional investors, such as mutual funds, which typically dart in and out of stocks.

Profiling shareholders

At the end of March, Delta reported 22,306 shareholders of record, which means they have the certificates. Delta could not provide details about its shareholder base, such as the number of Georgians who hold stock in the Atlanta-based airline.

Delta likely has thousands more shareholders who hold their investments through brokers. There also are about 70,000 employees in the company's 401(k) plan. The company's matching contribution is invested in Delta stock.

Shareholder Kindred, a retired sales representative for an industrial chemical company, bought 400 shares of Delta preferred stock in 1999, paying $25 a share, or $10,000.

"At that time, we felt that a blue chip stock like Delta was absolutely safe as we could get," said the Canton resident, who bought the stock for income. The shares have an annual dividend yield of 8.125 percent, payable quarterly.

Delta's common shares traded at about $60 then.

Kindred has seen his preferred shares lose about 58 percent of their value.

Kindred won't double-up and buy more, and neither will Delta retiree Carol Williams, who worked at the Atlanta ticket offices for nearly 32 years before retiring in 1995.

"It's not that I don't consider it a good buy," said Williams, who owns 200 shares bought at an average cost of $19. "I just don't have the cash flow on hand. He bought his 400 shares about five years ago, thinking it was a rock-solid blue chip investment."

But neither Kindred nor Williams are selling their shares, either.

"I can't afford a loss," Kindred said. "When you're working and get monthly income, you don't worry about things like this. But when you're 76, retired and not in good health, you look at everything you have invested because you don't have an opportunity to recoup it. You can't make it up, absolutely not.

"I'm going to ride it out until I see there's no hope."

Williams once owned more Delta shares and used them to buy a two-bedroom condo in Buckhead. She bought half her current holdings when the stock market reopened after Sept. 11 as a show of support. She thinks Delta will avert bankruptcy.

"I'm not nervous about Delta," she said. "I think that the pilots and the executives, in spite of rare cases of greed, will work it out, and that it will survive."
 
Hmmm Delta's in such bad shape they managaged to:

1) Start a new airline (Song).
2) Guarantee all top level executive pensions (even in the event of bankruptcy).
3) Give bonuses to those same top level execs even though the company was run into "bad hsape" by them and then when they left about a year ago the kept their retirement monies.
4) Use the same contract (almost word for word) AA shoved down it's pilots' throats – so how is it that Delta and AA are both identical in operations, cash-flow etc. that the use of the same, exact contract makes sense? (or could it be that managmenet is just trying to screw the pilots, nah ... it couldn't be that.)

Same old B.S., just a different day.
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I agee fully with you same ole song and dance. But since Delta hometown is ATL I thought I would post what the local paper is saying .

Usually same type story with different words...
 
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The AJC on all issues Delta is about as one sided as a Nazi newsletter on social Darwinism!
 
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I agree with you whole heartedly Doug but as a faithful JC member I must post the airline and papers crap to the masses. You know just like getting the Delta Digest and reading on how good we are doing and all the positive things that management is doing to make us money. Wheres the money
 
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Anybody checked the top-dogs' pockets?
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You don't have to shake very hard for a lot of money to fall out of them.

Did y'all see the article in yesterday's Wall Street Journal? Seems like the folks at the top don't have to worry about meeting their goals. If they are going to come up short, the boards just change them.

On the other hand, if you and I fail to meet our goals, well, that's a different story.
 
Just got brand new computers in the crew lounge, woo!

But, umm, didn't really need 'em!
 
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Did y'all see the article in yesterday's Wall Street Journal? Seems like the folks at the top don't have to worry about meeting their goals. If they are going to come up short, the boards just change them.

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Yup. Here's just a little excerpt.

As CEOs Miss Bonus Goals, Goal Posts Move

If at first you don't succeed, then change the rules for measuring success.

That's the mantra of many corporate-compensation committees these days. Despite Internal Revenue Service rules aimed at reining in excessive executive pay, many companies are still paying executives hefty bonuses -- even when they miss the performance goals that are supposed to trigger the payouts.

Companies typically do this by changing plans midyear, as it becomes clear that they won't hit the original targets, sometimes opting to pay more taxes at the expense of profits and shareholders. Critics say this shows that the IRS rules are ineffective and should be scrapped


They go on to say how the companies say bonuses are needed to retain executive talent. So, essentially, they're saying, yeah, they fell short of their goals, so we're moving the goalposts to keep them.

Yet these people didn't do that jobs! You and I fail to meet our goals, we're fired. These guys? They just get revised goals so they can get their money.
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Almost reminds me of when we got 'profit sharing' at Skyway. The benchmarks that were set up were so hard to attain and so far out of our control that we could never reach them.

But we had "profit sharing"!
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