The Hood or Foggles

GaTechKid

GaTechKid

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I used to think foggles were sweet for IFR training but the examiner I work with on a daily basis has convinced me otherwise. She only tests applicants with a hood after a private pilot killed himself the day after his test with her when he ran into some clouds. After placing some of my students under the hood I saw her point. Any other opinions?
 
Try putting them under the hood and foggle together. Thats as close as to IMC as you're going to get without actually being in IMC.
 
I like the Viban. It is a hood but a little bigger than a pair of sunglasses. They work great.

How's life in the windy city?
 
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I used to think foggles were sweet for IFR training but the examiner I work with on a daily basis has convinced me otherwise. She only tests applicants with a hood after a private pilot killed himself the day after his test with her when he ran into some clouds. After placing some of my students under the hood I saw her point. Any other opinions?

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I'm not sure I see the connection between foggles and a PPL kiling himself. Anyhow, I started out with teh big clanky grey, cone shaped hoods. They were almost worthless and really gave me a headache. Even when not trying to look outside, I could see glimpses of land passing by in my peripheal (sp?) vision. That and they were a pain to put off and on.

Now I use the Jeppshades:
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They fit on underneath my headset and the "foggle" protion jsut flips up and down like a pair of sunglasses. My easier to handle in the plane; flip up, flip down.
 
The applicant was wearing foggles when he completed the simulated instrument portion of his private pilot checkride. The next day he took his wife up for a flight, they ran into some clouds, and he crashed due to spatial disorientation. She contributes part of the accident to the use of foggles and that applicants get unconscious outside cues when they use them, hence only using a hood now.
 
That's lame.

If the view limiting devices limits the outside view, it works. If it doesn't limit it, it doesn't work. Most foggle type devices don't block all they need. So get some tape and block off that little corner.
From what I've used, the large cone shaped hoods are much worse, in that they don't block near as much as the foggle, safety glass clouded out type of glasses.
The Francis IFR hood is ok, but it blocks too much in many cases, and the space between eyeholes gets in the way, so you end up turning your head, rather than just moving your eyes for the scan.
 
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The applicant was wearing foggles when he completed the simulated instrument portion of his private pilot checkride. The next day he took his wife up for a flight, they ran into some clouds, and he crashed due to spatial disorientation. She contributes part of the accident to the use of foggles and that applicants get unconscious outside cues when they use them, hence only using a hood now.

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This is a joke, right?

If this evem remotely makes it to court, I will have lost faith in any remaining semblance of our legal system.
 
Here's the site for the vibans.

viban


Not only can they be used for IFR training, but also sunshades and ADHD distraction blockers
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I second the Vibans. Most comfortable thing I've used, and you can't "cheat" like you can with Foggles.

As far as the guy crashing b/c using Foggles, sounds like the family trying to blame it on anything other than his own lack of piloting skill.
 
Shooting glasses from walmart ($1.99) + frosty tape ($1.00) are way better than any foggle/hood you can buy out there. You just gotta tape the right places.
 
I would always try to get my instrument students some actual time. It's amazing how they can fly a perfect ILS under the hood but when they're actually in the soup, they lose control. I had 2 students I had to take the controls from on the approach in actual. Both were during the cross country phase. It was a big wake up call to both of them.
 
My instrument instructor used foggles for HIS instrument training... claims almost to have lost it the first time he went IMC! Needless to say, we are big fans of the ASA hood, but I am willing to use (and have used) the foggles when necessary.

The best IMC practice is at night when peripheral visual cues are greatly minimized. Then, the type of view-limiting device hardly matters. Make sure the student is comfortable and the device does not interfere with flying the plane.
 
I got a pair of safety glasses, went out to the airplane and sanded the glasses so I couldn't see outside. My 'customized' glasses were much cheaper and didn't have gaps like the foggles do.
 
Yeah, but could you use them for a test?


I have an awesome hood which is actually just a cap with a very long bill.... it blocks everything outside the plane.... only problem is how to get it off after an approach
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I'm going to give the Vibans a try. I wear glasses sometimes, are the Vibans going to fit without the nosepiece when I'm only wearing my contacts?
 
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Yeah, but could you use them for a test?


I have an awesome hood which is actually just a cap with a very long bill.... it blocks everything outside the plane.... only problem is how to get it off after an approach
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The examiner looked at them, tried them on in the plane, and said they were the best he's seen.
 
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