That's not quite how its done....

CK

CK

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I thought some of you might be interested in seeing how quickly the 182 can screw you if you're not careful. I guess he's new to the plane. It took him three tries to get it down safely, the first two had four to five porpoises followed by a go around.

On short final, he still has quite a bit of down elevator in.
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/990344/L/

And here comes the porpoise...notice at this point his elevator is in the neautral position so the force of the touch down on the nosewheel put him in this position!

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Alex.
 
Looks like you need so more dual. And that guy want be your friend much longer if you keep making him ride in the back on these type of landings.
 
Citationkid said:
And here comes the porpoise...notice at this point his elevator is in the neautral position so the force of the touch down on the nosewheel put him in this position!
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if the wheels touch down its not a porpoise anymore, its a bounce.

and i think you correlate a little to closely the elevator position to what the aircraft is doing as an observer there. The aircraft attitude as a whole is more telling. The elevator will be different based on weightt, density altitude, rising or descending air, center of gravity, etc. "too much down elevator" from 100yds away with a zoom lens seems like a too much armchair quarterbacking imho.
 
casey said:
if the wheels touch down its not a porpoise anymore, its a bounce.
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Ok, I thought a porpoise was hitting on the nosewheel, then the mains, then the nose wheel again, then the mains, nosehweel, ect. What excatly is it?

and i think you correlate a little to closely the elevator position to what the aircraft is doing as an observer there. The aircraft attitude as a whole is more telling. The elevator will be different based on weightt, density altitude, rising or descending air, center of gravity, etc. "too much down elevator" from 100yds away with a zoom lens seems like a too much armchair quarterbacking imho.
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Ok, you're right, but I've never landed a 182 with the yoke foward of the neutral position. My point of this post was not to critisize the pilot, just to share the photos. Don't turn this into something it's not.

Have a good weekend,

Alex.
 
Citationkid said:
My point of this post was not to critisize the pilot, just to share the photos. Don't turn this into something it's not.
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. . . After you said
Citationkid said:
. . . how quickly the 182 can screw you if you're not careful. I guess he's new to the plane.
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and:
Citationkid said:
And here comes the porpoise...notice at this point his elevator is in the neautral position so the force of the touch down on the nosewheel put him in this position!
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:confused:
 
Nice photos!

No matter how anyone slices it, landing nosewheel first usually isn't recommended! :)

BTW, is that a digital SLR or what are you using?
 
Doug,

It was a DSLR, a neighbor and I formed an aerial photography company so getting on of those was a must! It's a Canon D60 and Sigma 170-500 lens.

Alex.
 
[FONT=&quot]The old 182’s (I am thinking of a 1963 182F model in particular) are a bit funny to land as the elevator is too small and you don’t have enough elevator authority in the flare unless you use power. I have 400-500hrs in a 182Q model as well as some other models, but there is nothing difficult about the newer models. Just feels like a slightly heavy 172. Very easy airplane to fly.[/FONT]
 
Citationkid said:
Doug,

It was a DSLR, a neighbor and I formed an aerial photography company so getting on of those was a must!

Alex.
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How is that going for you? I tried to get one going in my last locale but there was a guy doing it himself in a jury-rigged C150 (not STC'd mind you) that was doing it as a retirement gig. He charged something like $50/hr. I just couldn't even pay for half the plane taking in that kind of $$.

~wheelsup
 
wheelsup said:
How is that going for you? I tried to get one going in my last locale but there was a guy doing it himself in a jury-rigged C150 (not STC'd mind you) that was doing it as a retirement gig. He charged something like $50/hr. I just couldn't even pay for half the plane taking in that kind of $$.

~wheelsup
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It's going pretty well. My neighbor is an executive at a very large development company and has been able to find us quite a bit of business. He's got a 172 and I've got the Champ so getting cheap airplanes isn't to hard. Luckily there is little competition around here.

Alex.
 
How is it going Alex? I apologize for not calling you today, I was very busy with students. You captured some rare action shots of how a firewall gets damaged by allowing the nosewheel of the C-182 to hit the ground with force. The owner of the plane will be suprised to learn of the damage upon the airplanes next annual inspection. Good work!

P.S.

In the last photo, you can see two mistakes the pilot makes with this approach. First mistake is using full flaps in the C-182, and the second mistake is the use of a boat-load of nose down trim.
 
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Alex, I will assume that your educational post is based not on the opportunism of your cool camera, but rather on a wholesome understanding of C182 performance and handling characteristics. For my comfort, would you let me know how much time you have as PIC in a C182, i mean... flying one with your hands.
 
bluelake said:
Alex, I will assume that your educational post is based not on the opportunism of your cool camera, but rather on a wholesome understanding of C182 performance and handling characteristics. For my comfort, would you let me know how much time you have as PIC in a C182, i mean... flying one with your hands.
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After reading Alex's post and then yours, I must say, I do not concur with the point you are trying to make.
 
bluelake said:
Alex, I will assume that your educational post is based not on the opportunism of your cool camera, but rather on a wholesome understanding of C182 performance and handling characteristics. For my comfort, would you let me know how much time you have as PIC in a C182, i mean... flying one with your hands.
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I know Alex personally so I can say this. Alex has enough time in many different makes and models, and he certainly doesn't have to explain why he knows this landing was wrong.
 
There's nothing wrong with using full flaps in a 182. The aircraft fly without any quirks.

And bluelake, I only have about 100 hours in the newer 182's, FWIW
 
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