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woodreau

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For those of you who are interested in the PACE program, here a list of textbooks that are used in the program, so in the event you're accepted and you happen to own these books, you can just bring them to Farmington instead of having to buy them again.

Aircraft Mechnical Operations
-Mesa CRJ Systems Manual (from Mesa Dispatch for $35)
-AvSoft CRJ Quick Study Guide - "Button Book"

Advanced Instrument Course
-Instrument Procedure Handbook (Jeppesen softcover book)

Multi-Engine Ground Course
-Multi-Engine Handbook (Green Jeppesen hardcover textbook)
-Baron 58 POH (www.esscoaircraft.com $130 or wait until you get here get from Mesa Dispatch for $120)
-Gleim ATP Test Prep Book (latest edition - right now 2005 edition)

Aviation Weather
-Aviation Weather (Jeppesen hardcover textbook)
-Aviation Weather Services (FAA Handbook AC something or whatever)

Other good to haves
-Also an AIM/FAR would be good. They sell the ASA AIM/FAR 2005 version here on campus. As long as it's up to date.
-Current Denver Sectional
-Jeppesen Airway Manual Express Pack Southwest. Don't have to keep it current, just get one and familiarize yourself with the approaches for Farmington, Durango, and Cortez and get intimate with the General Text pages if you're not familiar with Jepp charts.

If you can get a hold of a Baron 58 instrument panel poster and chair fly the checklists, emergency procedures, and multi-engine maneuvers procedures that they send you before you get to Farmington, it will help immensely when you get to the actual training in the simulator and the Barons. I memorized the checklists only to find that you don't have to do them in the exact order. As long as you come up with a flow and hit all the items in the checklist and then double check with the checklist after you complete the flow, then you should be okay.
 
I can't believe they make you pay for CRJ stuff. If you get hired here, you'll get it all for free anyway. Can you do PACE without taking the CRJ course?!
 
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Can you do PACE without taking the CRJ course?!

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Nope, cause that's pretty much what PACE is. I "inheirited" a lot of MAPD textbooks when my buddy got hired at Mesa. Curiously, he had two of everything......
 
I just found out that I could download the CRJ Systems Manual from the course website, and then just print it out the book on my laser printer. I mean that what we had to do in the Navy for any of our tactical and technical pubs, burn out the laser printer. Cost: ream of paper $2.50, Binder $7.00.

But just finished learning and understanding the limitations section of the CRJ CFM. It took a few days.
 
Ugh. All I have to say (and have said on another thread) is DO NOT PAY FOR AN RJ COURSE. Each airline operates the things a lil bit different. An ERJ pilot from XJT would be a lil bit lost in the flows and checklists at Eagle, just as I would be lost in the flows and checklists at Comair. Do not get yourself deeper into debt when any airline will teach you all of this information FOR FREE when you get hired.
 
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Ugh. All I have to say (and have said on another thread) is DO NOT PAY FOR AN RJ COURSE.

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Unfortunately, you don't have much of an option with PACE. It's part of the training for the PACE program. The CRJ course itself is $105 and it is Mesa specific. But I do realize that IF I get hired by Mesa I will have to go through all this training. I do think that since we're being prepped to go to Mesa, if I've already seen it once already, the second time around shouldn't be too bad. The airplane systems can't be too tremendously different.

Most of the money you pay for PACE goes towards Baron training.

For Aloft:

The course website is the college's intranet, so you need to be a student enrolled to access it.
 
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The course website is the college's intranet, so you need to be a student enrolled to access it.

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Or know someone who's enrolled....
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Got any cool, um, "mp3 files" you wanna share?
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Most of the money you pay for PACE goes towards Baron training.

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Um, what about that per hour charge in the JetSim?
 
The RJ course is 40 hours @ $225/hr ($175 + $50 Instructor) = ~$9000

The Baron is $222/hr plus $25/hr for instructor

The Baron sim is $80/hr - not sure if that includes instructor or not.

You get about 20 hours Sim/10 Hours aircraft and 40 hours in the JetSim.

I think the bulk is the CRJ course itself, total cost for people that have their multi is about $12k. If you don't have your multi add about $2500 onto it.

Note: These numbers aren't totally firm just a quick calculation from flightcareers.com. Also, it states 20 hours sim time on the website but I could swear it was about half that (10 hours), so the cost would actually be lower.


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You only pay for the time you are in the right seat of the CRJ FTD. Baron and Baron sim cost me about 5K and CRJ FTD cost another 5K.
 
Dang ... no-one should pay a single dime for any RJ training before getting hired. Heck, we sent home the only newhires we've had this year, and it's not looking any better for the next ... year.
 
After everything is said and done I am out 8500 total for the whole pace program.The Jet FTD cost is at 5150.00 total for the 40 hrs. Hope that helps a little bit.
 
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Eh? Furloughs at MAG?

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Yes. There's a CRJ initial class going on right now. It had 4 newhires. They were sent home because we don't need them. We're starting to unload the 1900s and those pilots will fill the vacancies created by the CR9 deliveries. We probably won't be hiring for several months.
 
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Eh? Furloughs at MAG?

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Yes. There's a CRJ initial class going on right now. It had 4 newhires. They were sent home because we don't need them. We're starting to unload the 1900s and those pilots will fill the vacancies created by the CR9 deliveries. We probably won't be hiring for several months.

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I suppose that's a furlough. In that case I've been "furloughed" from another airline besides Midway. I got in to an initial class and was told they overhired - they sent me home. I certainly had no recall rights though.

Do these 4 newhires have recall rights?
 
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Do these 4 newhires have recall rights?

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Yes, hence the term furlough.
 
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hence the term furlough.

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Using the word "hence" might get you points somewhere else but not here
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That was what I was asking. It is very unusual for a new hire to have recall rights until they have at least passed the systems test.

When I started at Mesa it was passing the check ride - we were not "hired" until then.
 
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When I started at Mesa it was passing the check ride - we were not "hired" until then.

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Hell, working ground service at XJT you weren't technically "hired" until you passed your ramp training in IAH, a week of ramp training at your station, three weeks of ticket training in IAH, and two more weeks of station training. THEN you were hired. Then you finally get flight benefits, but still have to wait like 6 months for the insurance to kick in.......
 
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