T-34 Parade

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Pilot Fighter

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Six T-34’s, one owner. Private air show.

Guy has about 30 warbirds.
 

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Is the difference between a T-34A and T-34B one more prop blade (and engine, i assume)? It looks like the T-34C got a turboprop and hardpoints.

Also, LimeWire?! In TYOOL 2025?
 
Minuteman said:
Is the difference between a T-34A and T-34B one more prop blade (and engine, i assume)? It looks like the T-34C got a turboprop and hardpoints.

Also, LimeWire?! In TYOOL 2025?
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I saw that... thought a neuron misfired.

Time to download Metallica on Napster.

ahw01 said:
Could you have a T34 powered by a T34?

en.m.wikipedia.org

Pratt & Whitney T34 - Wikipedia

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Yo' dawg...
herd ya like T34's
So we put a T34 on a T34 so you can scream while you scream!

(this post is not drug or alcohol inspired)
((but probably should be))
 
Minuteman said:
Is the difference between a T-34A and T-34B one more prop blade (and engine, i assume)? It looks like the T-34C got a turboprop and hardpoints.

Also, LimeWire?! In TYOOL 2025?
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You don’t need an account for Limewire sharing.

Good question on the props. I might ask the owner because the Internet doesn’t yield answers in a shallow dive.

The T-34A (Air Force) and T-34B (Navy) have minor differences but I think both started out with two-bladed props and the same engine. Not sure if the B’s got three-blades paired with an engine upgrade or it was just a prop upgrade. Oddly, only the A is certified for aerobatics.

To confuse things, formerly two-bladed T-34’s got three-blades under civilian ownership with an engine upgrade.
 
Pilot Fighter said:
You don’t need an account for Limewire sharing.

Good question on the props. I might ask the owner because the Internet doesn’t yield answers in a shallow dive.

The T-34A (Air Force) and T-34B (Navy) have minor differences but I think both started out with two-bladed props and the same engine. Not sure if the B’s got three-blades paired with an engine upgrade or it was just a prop upgrade. Oddly, only the A is certified for aerobatics.

To confuse things, formerly two-bladed T-34’s got three-blades under civilian ownership with an engine upgrade.
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I believe there was a mid life upgrade to the T-34B power plant at least, from what my dad flew in the late 50's, to what the guys in the 70s did before the -C came along. T-34C was a great little ride, probably the most fun plane I've ever flown. We had ours artificially power-limited, IIRC via EGT limits, but it was still a LOT of power for kids with no previous flight time. Not as fast as the T-6 apparently is now, but it was a great primary trainer, we intentionally spun it, and I seem to remember being able to cruise around at close to 250 knots.....maybe it was slightly less, but it felt that way anyway :) Dad's buddy owned a private T-34B many years after they had both retired, and they'd occasionally go out together. Pretty sure they still did aerobatics anyway, did not know it wasn't certified. I know the wing spar AD was a big expense for his friend, which I think ultimately led to him selling it (probably 30 years ago now).
 
///AMG said:
I believe there was a mid life upgrade to the T-34B power plant at least, from what my dad flew in the late 50's, to what the guys in the 70s did before the -C came along. T-34C was a great little ride, probably the most fun plane I've ever flown. We had ours artificially power-limited, IIRC via EGT limits, but it was still a LOT of power for kids with no previous flight time. Not as fast as the T-6 apparently is now, but it was a great primary trainer, we intentionally spun it, and I seem to remember being able to cruise around at close to 250 knots.....maybe it was slightly less, but it felt that way anyway :) Dad's buddy owned a private T-34B many years after they had both retired, and they'd occasionally go out together. Pretty sure they still did aerobatics anyway, did not know it wasn't certified. I know the wing spar AD was a big expense for his friend, which I think ultimately led to him selling it (probably 30 years ago now).
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I’m curious whether the A differed structurally in any way to support aerobatic certification or if they just certified the A with the idea of GA sales. Wouldn’t have made sense to offer both models for GA market.

Maybe it was an odd Air Force requirement, wanting the A to meet civil aerobatic standards.
 
Pilot Fighter said:
I’m curious whether the A differed structurally in any way to support aerobatic certification or if they just certified the A with the idea of GA sales. Wouldn’t have made sense to offer both models for GA market.

Maybe it was an odd Air Force requirement, wanting the A to meet civil aerobatic standards.
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I dunno. I'm nearly positive the Navy used it aerobatically while in service, just like we did with the -C. I can't imagine the syllabus without aerobatics. Is this maybe specific to the FAA rather than the original USN flight clearances? Or post the wing spar stuff? Seems very weird.
 
///AMG said:
I dunno. I'm nearly positive the Navy used it aerobatically while in service, just like we did with the -C. I can't imagine the syllabus without aerobatics. Is this maybe specific to the FAA rather than the original USN flight clearances? Or post the wing spar stuff? Seems very weird.
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Yeah, this is just an FAA thing and I don’t know the history.

I don’t even know why it would have any civil certification unless the AF demanded it or Beechcraft considered GA sales.

Not sure how a warbird with no certification can become certified in the utility or aerobatic category. I just assumed they all were Experimental-Exhibition.

It was mentioned in the context that certain aerobatic competitions required aircraft certified in the aerobatic category and it had been an issue with the B models.
 
Okay, found the answer from a couple of sources including the T-34 Association.

The FAA certified the A-45 (civilian operated T-34A) in the aerobatic category and the D-45 (civilian operated T-34B) in the utility category.

I don’t know why. I’ll ask somebody associated with the private show I attended today.

On a related note, US Experimental-Exhibition aircraft are not permitted at some international competitions which has been an issue with the MX and MXS aircraft.

So, it may only be an issue when folks are considering participating in competitions that require aerobatic certification.
 
Pilot Fighter said:
Okay, found the answer from a couple of sources including the T-34 Association.

The FAA certified the A-45 (civilian operated T-34A) in the aerobatic category and the D-45 (civilian operated T-34B) in the utility category.

I don’t know why. I’ll ask somebody associated with the private show I attended today.

On a related note, US Experimental-Exhibition aircraft are not permitted at some international competitions which has been an issue with the MX and MXS aircraft.

So, it may only be an issue when folks are considering participating in competitions that require aerobatic certification.
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Has Trump tried to pull the US out of here yet?

www.fai.org

World Air Sports Federation

Fédération Aéronautique Internationale World Air Sports Federation
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