Student Pilot Endorsement ?

[bc2209]

So there is an initial xc and there are solo xcountry endorsements for student pilots.

There is also the airport 25nm away that isn't a xcountry but it's a different airport that they could land at.

My question is that the endorsement says "within" 25NM.

Solo takeoffs and landings at another airport within 25 nm: § 61.93(b)(1).
I certify that (First name, MI, Last name) has received the required training of § 61.93(b)(1). I have determined that he/she is proficient to practice solo takeoffs and landings at (airport name). The takeoffs and landings at (airport name) are subject to the following conditions: (List any applicable conditions or limitations.)
/s/ [date] J. J. Jones 987654321CFI Exp. 12-31-05

So.....what if the airport is 35 NM away but not greater than 50NM.

Is it endorsed as a Xcountry or is it a within 25NM endorsement.

 

[hook_dupin]

I like this one from AC61-65E:

I certify that (First name, MI, Last name) has received the required training in both directions
between and at both (airport names). I have determined that he/she is proficient of
section 61.93(b)(2) to conduct repeated solo cross-country flights over that route, subject to the
following conditions: (List any applicable conditions or limitations.)
/s/ [date] J. J. Jones 987654321CFI Exp. 12-31-05


Read 61.93 if you haven't in a while. I always find it interesting that CFIs must provide training for a specific route if it's in that 25-50 band, but can authorize a cross-country based on student planning only.

 

[nosehair]

If it is more than 25 it cannot be endorsed for repeated flights. There must be an individual endorsement for each flight beyond 25, even though it is less than 50. It is a x/c that will not count towards the pilot certification requirements, but is still x/c.

 

[gotWXdagain]

If it is more than 25 it cannot be endorsed for repeated flights. There must be an individual endorsement for each flight beyond 25, even though it is less than 50. It is a x/c that will not count towards the pilot certification requirements, but is still x/c.

Incorrect. However the instuctor giving the endorsement must have provided training in both directions and to both airports along the route, and it must include pattern entry/departure for each airport.

 

[erndollas]

Are you looking for this (Ref AC 61-65)?

8. Repeated solo cross-country flights not more than 50 nm from the point of departure: § 61.93(b)(2).
I certify that (First name, MI, Last name) has received the required training in both directions between and at both (airport names). I have determined that he/she is proficient of § 61.93(b)(2) to conduct repeated solo cross-country flights over that route, subject to the following conditions: (List any applicable conditions or limitations.)
/s/ [date] J. J. Jones 987654321CFI Exp. 12-31-05

 

[MidlifeFlyer]

If it is more than 25 it cannot be endorsed for repeated flights. There must be an individual endorsement for each flight beyond 25, even though it is less than 50..

Section 61.93(c) Endorsements for solo cross-country flights says that a student must have the endorsements prescribed in this paragraph for each cross-country flight, except as specified in paragraph (b)(2) of this section (emphasis added in the interpretation). The limited exception in § 61.93(b)(2)(iv) permits a student who already has the endorsement specified in paragraph § 61.93(c) to make repeated solo cross-country flights to another airport within 50 nautical miles of the airport from which the flight originated without having to have separate endorsements for each flight, which would normally be required under paragraph § 61.93(c)(2). 2012 Chase Interpretation​

 

[nosehair]

Yep. My bad. Havn't done it in too long.

 

[WS]

For the flight beyond 25 NM but within 50 NM, they need the endorsement that the other two mentioned above. They ALSO need their initial solo, and initial solo cross-country endorsements in their logbook and on their pilot certificate, they do not however need a separate route endorsement for each flight.

Read 61.93 if you haven't in a while. I always find it interesting that CFIs must provide training for a specific route if it's in that 25-50 band, but can authorize a cross-country based on student planning only.

My thought is that the CFI must provide the training on the specific airport/route within 50 NM because they are endorsing the student to make repeated flights without the instructor having to evaluate their pre-flight planning each time. Student could conduct these flights repeatedly without any additional oversight before each flight, whereas on the >50 NM cross country flights, the CFI has to do a whole lot more in terms of management and oversight of the student's planning each time and also provide a separate endorsement before they can conduct each flight.