structural icing
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flyover
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ok, i am getting bored at work and wish i were flying right now...on that note, how would we know whether or not there is structural icing when we fly the cessnas or any other single engine airplanes?
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Well as I remember, milky then crystaline stuff on the leading edges and struts, windshield obscured, airspeed dropping despite increased power, prop vibration, smell of fear.
That's about it.
ok, i am getting bored at work and wish i were flying right now...on that note, how would we know whether or not there is structural icing when we fly the cessnas or any other single engine airplanes?
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Well as I remember, milky then crystaline stuff on the leading edges and struts, windshield obscured, airspeed dropping despite increased power, prop vibration, smell of fear.
That's about it.
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ok, i am getting bored at work and wish i were flying right now...on that note, how would we know whether or not there is structural icing when we fly the cessnas or any other single engine airplanes?
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Well as I remember, milky then crystaline stuff on the leading edges and struts, windshield obscured, airspeed dropping despite increased power, prop vibration, smell of fear.
That's about it.
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....And no one to hear you scream........
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ok, i am getting bored at work and wish i were flying right now...on that note, how would we know whether or not there is structural icing when we fly the cessnas or any other single engine airplanes?
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Well as I remember, milky then crystaline stuff on the leading edges and struts, windshield obscured, airspeed dropping despite increased power, prop vibration, smell of fear.
That's about it.
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....And no one to hear you scream........
FlyBoyJae
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yup flash lights proved to be VERY useful to me when i did my night x country with my CFI.
how do airliners (like MD 80) deal with icing? is there like a heating apparatus on the wing?
but that might heat up the fuel tank on the wings.
and i know you have nothing to do with this but i HATE my job.
its like i shoudl file my own worker's comp injury from this.
i am so outta here when i get the licenses that i need to be a CFI. speaking of which my PPL check ride is this sunday~
how do airliners (like MD 80) deal with icing? is there like a heating apparatus on the wing?
and i know you have nothing to do with this but i HATE my job.
its like i shoudl file my own worker's comp injury from this.
i am so outta here when i get the licenses that i need to be a CFI. speaking of which my PPL check ride is this sunday~
No doubt.
Flying in icing when you really shouldn't be is scary.
Airspeed drops off, the engine starts running rough, you're in IMC (obviously) and you can't maintain altitude. In fact, you can't even see outside.
If you're lucky, there's warmer air below, but if you're unlucky, we'll be reading about it in the NTSB report!
Flying in icing when you really shouldn't be is scary.
Airspeed drops off, the engine starts running rough, you're in IMC (obviously) and you can't maintain altitude. In fact, you can't even see outside.
If you're lucky, there's warmer air below, but if you're unlucky, we'll be reading about it in the NTSB report!
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how do airliners (like MD 80) deal with icing? is there like a heating apparatus on the wing?
but that might heat up the fuel tank on the wings.
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We produce a monsterous amount of hot air with a jet, so we're able to route heated air to the leading edges, the tail section and the engine nacelles. And we have fuel heaters too because when it's -40C outside, sometimes we need to warm it a bit to prevent icing in the fuel.
how do airliners (like MD 80) deal with icing? is there like a heating apparatus on the wing?
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We produce a monsterous amount of hot air with a jet, so we're able to route heated air to the leading edges, the tail section and the engine nacelles. And we have fuel heaters too because when it's -40C outside, sometimes we need to warm it a bit to prevent icing in the fuel.
G
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Another trick, at least on Pipers, is to keep an eye on the OAT probe. If there is any ice it will begin to become visible there before any other part of the airframe.
Reminds me of a leg into Marquette when I was a brand new captain.
I had an FO straight out of simulator training, it was about 0030 local, we had that famous Northern Michigan 'thunder snow', moderate icing and we're shooting the localizer approach because the winds were howling off of the lake.
The deice boots were doing a horrible job and it was so turbulent that the stall warning horn kept screaming BAAAAA BAAAAA!
The poor FO was scared to death because he hadn't seen a northern penninsula snow storm before, we're already below Minneapolis center's radar coverage and it's dark, snowy, icey, mega turbulent and late.
And I had that darned song by the "Squirrel Nut Zippers" in my head. "Innnn the afterlife, you'll be headed for the serious strife..."
I thought the poor guy was going to vomit!
Then I pop off the yaw damper for the landing and I'm nearly out of rudder trying to keep the longitudinal axis parallel with the runway and I hear the passengers back in row nine go "whOOOOOAH!"
So we land, taxi slowly to the edge of the runway and try to discern where the taxi way was because since it was sunday, Mesaba's DHC-8 didn't fly in earlier and leave us any tracks in the snow to mark the taxiway.
We get to the ramp, deplane and there were corona's of ice on the spinners, ever non-protected surface had loads of ice congestion and I was thoroughly convinced that we'd have made the Guiness book of world records with the amount of ice on the aircraft.
Then onto the crash pad, found an empty air mattress and luckily, someone had scraped up enough money and replenished the supply of Old Milwaukee in the fridge. And I think to myself, "January 15th baby, goin' to Georgia for ground school!"
I had an FO straight out of simulator training, it was about 0030 local, we had that famous Northern Michigan 'thunder snow', moderate icing and we're shooting the localizer approach because the winds were howling off of the lake.
The deice boots were doing a horrible job and it was so turbulent that the stall warning horn kept screaming BAAAAA BAAAAA!
The poor FO was scared to death because he hadn't seen a northern penninsula snow storm before, we're already below Minneapolis center's radar coverage and it's dark, snowy, icey, mega turbulent and late.
And I had that darned song by the "Squirrel Nut Zippers" in my head. "Innnn the afterlife, you'll be headed for the serious strife..."
I thought the poor guy was going to vomit!
Then I pop off the yaw damper for the landing and I'm nearly out of rudder trying to keep the longitudinal axis parallel with the runway and I hear the passengers back in row nine go "whOOOOOAH!"
So we land, taxi slowly to the edge of the runway and try to discern where the taxi way was because since it was sunday, Mesaba's DHC-8 didn't fly in earlier and leave us any tracks in the snow to mark the taxiway.
We get to the ramp, deplane and there were corona's of ice on the spinners, ever non-protected surface had loads of ice congestion and I was thoroughly convinced that we'd have made the Guiness book of world records with the amount of ice on the aircraft.
Then onto the crash pad, found an empty air mattress and luckily, someone had scraped up enough money and replenished the supply of Old Milwaukee in the fridge. And I think to myself, "January 15th baby, goin' to Georgia for ground school!"
Not personally, 4184 happened 31 OCT 94, and I wasn't hired til Nov of 95. But I heard a lot about them. Orlando, Jeff, Sandy and the New Girl. (It was the #2s first trip off IOE, she was brand-spanking new and no one remembers her name.)
I did fly once with Jeff's girlfriend. She was working that night and when she walked in the crew lounge (she had no idea anything had happened) everyone literally stopped talking and stared at her. She was like, "WTFO". Then someone pulled her aside and told her. She went to her mailbox and found a note from him that he'd left her right before they'd left for IND. She said it was really eerie to read. All of the New Girl's classmates quit within a month.
What makes is sad for me is that I can (mentally) "see" everything happening. I've read the transcripts & the NTSB report, and I know the airplane so well, I can see everything. I guess it just makes it more 'real'.
I did fly once with Jeff's girlfriend. She was working that night and when she walked in the crew lounge (she had no idea anything had happened) everyone literally stopped talking and stared at her. She was like, "WTFO". Then someone pulled her aside and told her. She went to her mailbox and found a note from him that he'd left her right before they'd left for IND. She said it was really eerie to read. All of the New Girl's classmates quit within a month.
What makes is sad for me is that I can (mentally) "see" everything happening. I've read the transcripts & the NTSB report, and I know the airplane so well, I can see everything. I guess it just makes it more 'real'.
stuckingfk
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Doug,
Do you know of any planes, airliners or anything, that heat the fuel to prevent ice on the wings?
I know of one, which is the Cessna Sovereign, but was wondering if this is new, or has been used before.
Do you know of any planes, airliners or anything, that heat the fuel to prevent ice on the wings?
I know of one, which is the Cessna Sovereign, but was wondering if this is new, or has been used before.
BobDDuck
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Do you know of any planes, airliners or anything, that heat the fuel to prevent ice on the wings?
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Nope!
Are we talking structural icing from the atmosphere or do you mean icing that can form on the surface from a super cold fuel cell?
We have wing heaters on the MD-88, but that's not for atmospheric structural icing. And the fuel heat we have heats the fuel before it reaches the fuel control unit in the engine nacelle.
Do you know of any planes, airliners or anything, that heat the fuel to prevent ice on the wings?
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Nope!
Are we talking structural icing from the atmosphere or do you mean icing that can form on the surface from a super cold fuel cell?
We have wing heaters on the MD-88, but that's not for atmospheric structural icing. And the fuel heat we have heats the fuel before it reaches the fuel control unit in the engine nacelle.