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Airline Pilots Still Flying, but No Longer Quite So High
New York Times 03/10/2006
Author: Matthew L. Wald
c. 2006 New York Times Company




WASHINGTON, March 9 -- Within the world of aviation, airline pilots used to be one step down from astronauts. Now they feel one step up from bus drivers.

With half the seats in the nation's airliners run by companies either in bankruptcy or limping out of it, even the pilots at the top -- the ones who are within a few years of mandatory retirement at 60, flying the big planes and earning top dollar -- are facing a new world.

Their pay and pensions have been cut, and they work more hours to earn them. In another concession to the airlines, their days are interrupted more than ever by long hours of unpaid idleness.

They say they try hard not to let these things break their concentration or interfere with their work, flying passengers by the scores or hundreds, flawlessly, around the country and the world. They have piloted their planes to a record 40 million safe takeoffs and landings across the country in the last five years, whether the airline was solvent, bankrupt or just squeaking by.

Still, the boardroom blues are working their way into the cockpit.

"My philosophy right now is, I just go to work," said an American Airlines captain who, before his company's troubles, loved to fly. On one recent trip, he flew a 6 a.m. flight from Newark to Miami, then piloted a plane from Miami to Los Angeles the next evening, then a flight back to Newark, accumulating 15 paid hours for three days on the road.

The Federal Aviation Administration limits commercial pilots on domestic flights to eight hours a day, measured from pushback until arrival at the gate. The limits are 30 hours in seven days, 100 hours a month and 1,000 hours a year. The airlines do not exceed those limits but many now schedule much closer to them.

The F.A.A. rules do not address the amount of time between flights, so a pilot could be in uniform 12 hours or more to accumulate the day's hours. Eight hours of rest time every 24 hours is required, however. And pilots feel acutely the difference between getting a month's work in 14 days versus 18 days.

"They kind of bleed us out," the American Airlines captain said, on condition he not be identified for fear of losing his job. Pilots for major airlines said they expected to be fired if they were publicly candid on the new challenges of their jobs.

One veteran United Airlines captain, who laments that when he retires in a few years his pension will be about one-fourth what he expected, said he had to shut it out of his mind to prevent the distraction from affecting his work.

After a recent takeoff from California for the long flight across the Pacific, that was all his first officer wanted to talk about. The captain said he snapped back: "You know what, can we not talk about United Airlines? All it does is cause me frustration and anger and there's nothing I can do about it. It churns my stomach."

So the two, flying in one of the world's most automated, advanced airplanes, talked about a hobby they had in common: flying single-engine planes on their days off.

The dissatisfaction at the top has not changed some basics of the field: young people still dream of flying, and people who fly small planes still aspire to fly bigger ones. Legions of laid-off pilots hope to be hired back, even at reduced pay levels.

"They must love it," said Arnold I. Barnett, a professor of management science at the Sloan School of Management at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. He said airline pilots were reacting with more fortitude than other professionals might in the same circumstances.

"I cannot fathom how faculty would react if M.I.T. abolished tenure, increased teaching loads and cut salaries by 35 percent because market conditions had changed," he said.

But senior airline pilots, in dozens of interviews, spoke about feeling depressed and struggling not to let it affect their performance.

Academics have noticed a change. "The pilots are not a happy group right now," said Paul S. Fischbeck, a professor of engineering and public policy at Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh.

Dr. Fischbeck, who flew in the Navy and has colleagues who went on to fly for the airlines, said that the change in financial circumstances and job security were good reasons to be unhappy.

But Dr. Fischbeck and others pointed out that the industry culture is such that pilots must face the hardship on their own. Other workers with health plans might seek professional counseling. With pilots licensed by the F.A.A., however, "as soon as you sign up for it, it's on your record, and you're toast."

A US Airways pilot echoed that sentiment: "If it gets reported to the F.A.A., you can forget it, you're not coming back to work, until you go through a lot. The system requires us to deal with it ourselves. That makes it very difficult to go through what we just went through."

Maxine E. Lubner, director of the Aviation Institute of York College, at the City University of New York, said that eroding morale, along with problems like "the distraction of not knowing where your pension is," could not help safety.

Neither could working longer hours, which pilots for many major airlines are now doing because of contract concessions both in the number of hours flown and the number of hours they can be made to wait on the ground between flights. Some are also flying more hours to offset their pay losses.

"I would say morale and attitude are all in that mix," Dr. Lubner said. The morale effect is probably small, she said, but "we know fatigue in itself will create poor attitude and lack of motivation and irritability."

"And there's no question that something that's a distraction is a safety threat," she said.

But she agreed there was no empirical evidence supporting that theory. Statistically, the airlines are in one of their safest periods ever, with about one fatal accident for every 15 million flights.

"With the economic turbulence that's being experienced by U.S. carriers, bankruptcy, the price of oil on every page, it's a testament to the aviation industry stakeholders and the U.S. government that we are reaching those safety levels despite enormous challenges," said Marion C. Blakey, the F.A.A. administrator, in a speech to an aviation safety conference that her agency organized last fall.

There are some warning signs, however. NASA recently told the F.A.A. of numerous reports of errors by ground personnel, a category of worker that has had heavy turnover. It also warned of reports of planes loading too little fuel.

A Northwest pilot described his own forgetfulness. "There are certain things I'm supposed to do to set up my part of the cockpit," he said. "We do the stuff first, then go back with the checklist and double-check it," he said. And in double-checking, he once found a set of switches he was certain he had set, but had not. "I thought I had turned those on," he recalled thinking. "I hadn't; I just wasn't as sharp. I'd lost my edge."

Airline executives say they do not know how to measure the effect of morale. At US Airways, Carlo Bertolini, a spokesman, said, "No one's going to deny that US Airways employees have been through a tough time, with layoffs, changes in work rules and steps lowering costs. A lot of these sacrifices came from employees."

But "we all have a stake in the safety of the airline," he added. "We're definitely confident that all employees always have safety at the top of their mind."

Pilots say the same but add that the change in schedules often means more fatigue. "You can feel yourself getting to a point where you're beginning to make more little mistakes," a senior captain at US Airways said.

"Most of the mistakes are caught very quickly, and most are very minor errors," he said. But "at that level of fatigue, after weeks or months of this without a break, it's easy to make major mistake."

Not everyone agrees that the longer working schedule is a problem.

"It's hard for me to feel sorry for them," said Capt. Jeffrey R. Hefner, the safety chairman of the union that represents pilots at Southwest Airlines, who have always flown longer hours than pilots at older airlines.

"They're a bunch of spoiled brats," he said. "Historically, this has been a really cushy job once you get to the majors. You make a lot of money and you don't have to fly a lot. But there had to be a market balancing at some point."
 
braidkid said:
"It's hard for me to feel sorry for them," said Capt. Jeffrey R. Hefner, the safety chairman of the union that represents pilots at Southwest Airlines, who have always flown longer hours than pilots at older airlines.

"They're a bunch of spoiled brats," he said. "Historically, this has been a really cushy job once you get to the majors. You make a lot of money and you don't have to fly a lot. But there had to be a market balancing at some point."

What the heck?
 
I saw this article posted elsewhere, and it was pointed out that SWAPA has put out a letter stating that the pilot quoted in this article was never interviewed by the New York Times, and that quote is a complete falacy. Imagine though, the New York Times making something up?
 
Actually, over on the ALPA forum, it turns out that the author of the article was a little 'overly creative' with some of his content:

SOUTHWEST AIRLINES
Pilots' Association
March 7, 2006

Captain Duane E. Woerth, President, ALPA
535 Herndon Parkway Herndon, VA 20170

Dear Duane,

On Monday, March 6 an article authored by Matthew Wald, New York Times writer, quoted a Southwest Airlines' pilot in an article entitled "Nothing but Gray Skies " After speaking to the reporter personally on at least two occasions today and speaking to the pilot who was "quoted" in the article I'm confident the reporter for some unknown reason included inaccurate and unsubstantiated comments attributed to a Southwest Airlines' pilot.

1. When asked several times today, the reporter could not recall specifically the time and place he allegedly interviewed the Southwest Airlines' pilot.. He was asked in very specific terms and was given several opportunities to confirm the precise comments he created to the pilot. He could not confirm they occurred as printed.
2. The reporter did call SWAPA for a comment in late .January in regards to another topic. He spoke to a SWAPA staff member who has a record of the call,. No information was passed to the reporter other than an acknowledgement of his request for information that would be passed to the appropriate individuals.
3 The reporter stated he was given the pilot's name by a SWAPA staff member, however the SWAPA staff' member confirmed this did not occur. It is the policy of SWAPA to never release the name of members to outside agencies; this includes the press.
4 The Captain involved was never interviewed by this reporter in regards to this story The Captain categorically denies the statements attributed to him.

The press can be your friend; however in this case Mr. Wald got it wrong. The alleged quotes reported by Mr. Wald in no way reflect the views or opinions of the Southwest Airlines' pilots SWAPA appreciates what all pilots have sacrificed to save their airlines and works cooperatively on many levels with ALPA, APA and all professional pilot organizations. SWAPA is contacting the paper to request a retraction and is pursuing other avenues to correct the inaccurate reporting which occurred

Best regards,
Joseph "Ike" Eichelkraut President, SWAPA

and

March 10, 2006



Mr. Byron Calame

Public Editor

The New York Times

229 West 43rd Street

New York, NY 10036-3959

public@nytimes.com



Dear Mr. Calame,



In an article on March 6 entitled, “Nothing but Gray Skies,” Matthew Wald, a New York Times reporter attributed the following quotes to Capt. Jeff Heffner, a Southwest Airlines’ pilot:



Not everyone agrees that the longer working schedule is a problem. "It's hard for me to feel sorry for them," said Jeffrey Hefner, the safety chairman of the union that represents pilots at Southwest Airlines, who have always flown longer hours than pilots at older airlines.



"They're a bunch of spoiled brats," he said. "Historically, this has been a really cushy job once you get to the majors. You make a lot of money, and you don't have to fly a lot. But there had to be a market balancing at some point."



As the President of the Southwest Airlines Pilots’ Association, I am requesting that you conduct a thorough investigation into the source and authenticity of this quote. After a review of telephone records, an interview with Capt. Hefner, two phone conversations with Mr. Wald, and a discussion with our Union’s Communication Chairman who also talked with Mr. Wald, there is sufficient doubt in my mind that Capt. Hefner ever made those statements to Mr. Wald.



With regard to the validity of these highly offensive quotes, and as a matter of integrity, I am requesting that your newspaper do one of the following: either determine who made the quotes and print a correction based upon your findings; or print a full retraction and apology to not only the readers of your paper but to the pilots of all professional organizations.



I am genuinely confident that Capt. Hefner did not make the statements attributed to him. I will be happy to share other information that I have in my possession that supports my belief. I look forward to hearing from you within one calendar week.



Sincerely,









Captain Joseph “Ike” Eichelkraut

SWAPA President
 
Found off Google.com:

Something shocking: New York Times reporter Matthew Wald has been caught making up a crucial and embarrassing quote attributed to a Southwest Airlines pilot. At the end of his story “Nothing but Gray Skies...” he quotes a SWA pilot’s union safety chairman, Jeff Hefner: “
... Not everyone agrees that the longer working schedule is a problem. "It’s hard for me to feel sorry for them," said Jeffrey Hefner, the safety chairman of the union that represents pilots at Southwest Airlines, who have always flown longer hours than pilots at older airlines.
"They’re a bunch of spoiled brats," he said. "Historically, this has been a really cushy job once you get to the majors. You make a lot of money, and you don’t have to fly a lot. But there had to be a market balancing at some point." ...
The union and Hefner have put out a statement saying that not only did that conversation never occur, but that Hefner has never spoken to Wald.

SOUTHWEST AIRLINES
Pilots’ Association
March 7, 2006
Captain Duane E. Woerth, President, ALPA
535 Herndon Parkway Herndon, VA 20170
Dear Duane,
On Monday, March 6 an article authored by Matthew Wald, New York Times writer, quoted a Southwest Airlines’ pilot in an article entitled “Nothing but Gray Skies “ After speaking to the reporter personally on at least two occasions today and speaking to the pilot who was “quoted” in the article I’m confident the reporter for some unknown reason included inaccurate and unsubstantiated comments attributed to a Southwest Airlines’ pilot.
1. When asked several times today, the reporter could not recall specifically the time and place he allegedly interviewed the Southwest Airlines’ pilot.. He was asked in very specific terms and was given several opportunities to confirm the precise comments he created to the pilot. He could not confirm they occurred as printed.
2. The reporter did call SWAPA for a comment in late .January in regards to another topic. He spoke to a SWAPA staff member who has a record of the call,. No information was passed to the reporter other than an acknowledgement of his request for information that would be passed to the appropriate individuals.
3 The reporter stated he was given the pilot’s name by a SWAPA staff member, however the SWAPA staff’ member confirmed this did not occur. It is the policy of SWAPA to never release the name of members to outside agencies; this includes the press.
4 The Captain involved was never interviewed by this reporter in regards to this story The Captain categorically denies the statements attributed to him.
The press can be your friend; however in this case Mr. Wald got it wrong. The alleged quotes reported by Mr. Wald in no way reflect the views or opinions of the Southwest Airlines’ pilots SWAPA appreciates what all pilots have sacrificed to save their airlines and works cooperatively on many levels with ALPA, APA and all professional pilot organizations. SWAPA is contacting the paper to request a retraction and is pursuing other avenues to correct the inaccurate reporting which occurred
Best regards,
Joseph “Ike” Eichelkraut President, SWAPA
Brookview Plaza 0 1450 Empire Central Dr Suite 737 0 Dallas TX 75247
Phone: 214..xxxxxxx • Tollfree: 800-xxxxxxxx . Fax: 214-xxxxxxx s www swapa org
 
This article began very good and then ended with a disapointing crash. I can't believe he ended it that way. This article changes it's view about three times. First, it sounds like he's going to be fair and talk about the plight of the pilot, then he brings it around to a safety standpoint wich is totally unproven, then goes on to ruin it by saying that pilots had it way to good in the past. Totally contradictory. I guess I shouldn't exect anything better from a NYT writer.
 
That's funny, I found the Southwest pilots alleged comments to be spot on. This has historically been a very cushy, high paid job.
 
braidkid said:
That's funny, I found the Southwest pilots alleged comments to be spot on. This has historically been a very cushy, high paid job.

Are you an airline pilot? From your profile it says you are not; it says you left the piloting profession due to the sacrifices involved. Then you come and say that this job is cushy, and high paying? Obviously not, if it made you decide to pursue another avenue of employment. I'd venture to say you do not know the sacrifices involved. I find the comments by the pilots prior to the fabricated Southwest quote to be spot on.
 
FlyChicaga said:
Are you an airline pilot?

No, I flight test airplanes. I have two uncles that are 20+ year captains for majors and a grandfather that retired from Braniff.

You simply cannot argue the fact airline pilots have historically been very well compensated for their work.
 
braidkid said:
You simply cannot argue the fact airline pilots have historically been very well compensated for their work.

Rightfully so. Too bad that trend hasn't continued for the demands and sacrifices required of the job. Obviously, you do not agree. Also, it should be pointed out that it was only a percentage of all airline pilots that made "the big bucks."
 
Then why'd you bail on the career if you think it's so cushy? I can't say I blame you for getting out, but if you think it's so great then why leave?

And I'm making the assumption that you think it's great because it's less work with more pay, which I think everybody wants. If you don't want that, and you want to really work for your paycheck, then why didn't you stick with flight express and earn that paycheck?
 
Wow, so you basically just referred to three members of your family as spoiled brats? Interesting.

You flight test airplanes? From your profile it says you are an engineer.
 
FlyChicaga said:
Rightfully so. Too bad that trend hasn't continued for the demands and sacrifices required of the job. Obviously, you do not agree. Also, it should be pointed out that it was only a percentage of all airline pilots that made "the big bucks."

I sympathize with your regional pilots who make low wages. However, it is hard for me to feel sorry for major airline pilots once making $220k now earning $120k.

And with that I will duck out of here before everyone starts throwing things at me!!! :D
 
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