Split ALPA into a Regional and a Mainline Unit?

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Resolution 3: Version: Ending the Conflict of Interest at ALPA National

Whereas having Major and Regional Airlines in ALPA has created a conflict of interest with respect to scope clauses leading to lawsuits, insufficient protections and ultimately reduced pay and growth for the Delta Pilots and

Whereas our Union has not found an adequate nor acceptable solution to this problem,
Whereas despite this conflict of interest we recognize the many areas of common interest between Major and Regional Airlines including safety, security, government affairs, etc.,

Be it resolved that the pilots of Council 44 direct their LEC make every effort to split ALPA into two distinct unions, one for Major Airlines and one for Regional Carriers while forming a Federation for both of these unions to pursue common interests and

Be if further resolved that the Pilots of Council 44 direct their LEC Officers to present a similar resolution to the MEC including the stated goals of:

* Identifying the position of every candidate for ALPA President on this issue and
* Support only candidates for all ALPA National Office that take aggressive action to end this conflict of interest within their first year in office and
* To only support and vote for candidates that declare their intent to run for office with publicly stated positions before August 2010


Please help me pass these resolutions. If you think we could use improvements in communication, transparency, pay and ending the conflict of interest between Regional vs. Major Airlines at ALPA National. This effort will have more likelihood of succeeding if other councils pass these or similar resolutions. Atlanta Council 44 meets March 4th at 11am. Please bid to attend or find another pilot to carry your proxy.
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So regionals reduce the pay at the majors? I always thought the additional income from the regional routes padded the majors bottom line?
 
:rotfl:

Yet another pilot that does not know how ALPA works. :rolleyes:

Edit: Now I see it is Joslin that is sponsoring this. I thought he knew better.
 
Hey man, since you're up, you want to make a easy $20 and do my Jepps? ;)
 
I'm not sure this is the worst idea in the world, though I don't think the cats at DALPA are doing this in order to help the profession.
 
You know what's funny? For YEARS the Regional ALPA units have been kicking this idea around but the majors always parroted the "unity is strength" line. Now that the Regional Properties make up the majority of the votes for the first time you get a Major Property thinking this is a good idea.

FU mister self centered major airline pilot guy!

DAL peeps... I've said it before and I'll say it again... Ya'll NEED to get your house in order right quick like.
 
I'd like to see you guys get all the flying for each mainline under a single contract. That might have to come through legislation rather than negotiation though.
 
Seggy said:
This is a horrible idea.
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I'm not convinced that this moves into the realm of horrible. I don't honestly know what to think about it yet, but I'm not positive that it's the worst idea ever.

Regionals are becoming career carriers at this point, and the ability to negotiate competitive CBA's with their management groups, unfettered by mainline ALPA interests may be in the best interests of the union membership.

Now if you still subscribe to the idea that getting up and out of the regional rat race as quickly as possible, then this IS a horrible idea. If you start to accept the new paradigm that may have already developed as far as career progression goes, the interests of the regional pilot groups may be better served with a regional airline ALPA.
 
SteveC said:
I'd like to see you guys get all the flying for each mainline under a single contract. That might have to come through legislation rather than negotiation though.
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One contract, one pay rate for a piece of equipment and one set of work rules is the best solution.

But it will never happen, the people with the money are pulling the strings and they are incredibly disinterested in this happening.
 
I'd love to see a situation where if you buy a ticket on CAL to fly from PHX-IAH-DCA, it's flown on Continental equipment with Continental pilots.

There may be a segment on a ERJ and one on a 757, but have every bit of equipment flown by a single seniority list.

But then, we're talking about the ATA losing it's ability to whipsaw carriers against once another and lost leverage. It'd also make for a stronger union an ultimately better benefits industry-wide.
 
Doug Taylor said:
I'd love to see a situation where if you buy a ticket on CAL to fly from PHX-IAH-DCA, it's flown on Continental equipment with Continental pilots.

There may be a segment on a ERJ and one on a 757, but have every bit of equipment flown by a single seniority list.

But then, we're talking about the ATA losing it's ability to whipsaw carriers against once another and lost leverage. It'd also make for a stronger union an ultimately better benefits industry-wide.
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Indeed, and I think that's what we all want.

But is that going to happen? Didn't Delta get angry about having to take people in a flowthrough from Mesaba and Compass because they didn't get a chance to be involved in the hiring to determine if they were "good enough to work at Delta?"

If that was in fact the case, then it boggles my mind that carriers are happy to contract to other companies (thus reducing liability, remember that plays a part in this too) where they won't take those pilots into the mainline carrier, but are happy to put their passengers on those airplanes.

It would quite literally take an act of congress to stop the outsourcing that happens in the airline industry.
 
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