Spin video to celebrate spring break

jrh

jrh

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I went flying with a private pilot buddy of mine yesterday after we got out of school for spring break. He hadn't flown in several months so it was a good refresher for him. We did some stalls, spins, then touch and goes to get him brushed up on flying again. Both of us had a great time. 1.4 hours on the hobbs meter.

I brought along my digital camera and realized it can take movies too. I'd never used it for movies before. After messing around with Windows Movie Maker for a couple hours, out popped my first flying video.

I know there are a lot of C-152 spin videos on the internet, but none are my spin video. So here you go, hope you enjoy it:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=E__q_g2dtBI
 
weak

man that was a weak spin, not only did you go to the left, you only went around for 1 rotation from the looks of it.... jeez.... hehe
 
nice work man. I agree with the previous post on spins to the right. Gotta get your equilibrium back somehow right? ;)

I need to get me new camera!

-ColM
 
jrh said:
I went flying with a private pilot buddy of mine yesterday after we got out of school for spring break. He hadn't flown in several months so it was a good refresher for him. We did some stalls, spins, then touch and goes to get him brushed up on flying again. Both of us had a great time. 1.4 hours on the hobbs meter.

I brought along my digital camera and realized it can take movies too. I'd never used it for movies before. After messing around with Windows Movie Maker for a couple hours, out popped my first flying video.

I know there are a lot of C-152 spin videos on the internet, but none are my spin video. So here you go, hope you enjoy it:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=E__q_g2dtBI
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Nice video! You just posted a video of yourself violating a FAR. You are, in your words, " celebrating spring break " by making a video of yourself spinning. You are supposed to wear parachutes for this aerobatic maneuver unless you are doing spin training.
 
Cool video! Makes me want to go up and do spins with my dad again... he made me endure spins in 152's throughout my childhood hehe.
 
bob loblaw said:
Nice video! You just posted a video of yourself violating a FAR. You are, in your words, " celebrating spring break " by making a video of yourself spinning. You are supposed to wear parachutes for this aerobatic maneuver unless you are doing spin training.
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Did you read anything more than the title of my post?

This was a training flight. Training flights are exempt from the use of parachutes.

When I used the term "celebrate spring break" I meant "my buddy and I went on a fun instructional flight that was very relaxing after getting out of school for spring break." But that would be sort of awkward to put in the title.

It was a lot of fun, but there was legitimate instruction taking place.
 
ColMustard said:
I agree with the previous post on spins to the right. Gotta get your equilibrium back somehow right? ;)
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I know what you're saying. Unfortunately, that plane doesn't break to the right very well.

If I'd included entries to the right, people would probably say, "Cool spin video...but why'd you stick a couple descending turns to the right in there with the spins?" ;)
 
jrh said:
Did you read anything more than the title of my post?

This was a training flight. Training flights are exempt from the use of parachutes.

When I used the term "celebrate spring break" I meant "my buddy and I went on a fun instructional flight that was very relaxing after getting out of school for spring break." But that would be sort of awkward to put in the title.

It was a lot of fun, but there was legitimate instruction taking place.
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Yes, I read your entire post. What caught my eye was the fact that you said your buddy is a private pilot. You say that a training flight is exempt from the parachute rule, however, from FAR 91.307 (D) contradicts what you are saying.

Unless each occupant of the aircraft is wearing an approved parachute, no pilot of a civil aircraft carrying any person (other than a crewmember) may execute any intentional maneuver that exceeds—
(1) A bank of 60 degrees relative to the horizon; or
(2) A nose-up or nose-down attitude of 30 degrees relative to the horizon.
(d) Paragraph (c) of this section does not apply to—
(1) Flight tests for pilot certification or rating; or
(2) Spins and other flight maneuvers required by the regulations for any certificate or rating when given by—
(i) A certificated flight instructor; or
(ii) An airline transport pilot instructing in accordance with §61.67 of this chapter.

I know that a CFI can give spin training to a CFI candidate without wearing a parachute. But I don't see anywhere in the regulation an exemption provided for a CFI giving spin training to a private pilot. I will be the first to admit that I don't know it all, but the reg speaks for itself. If I am correct and you may not call filming spins "training" then you may have some splaining to do since you have a great shot of your face while doing the spins.
 
I, personally, would never do a spin for the fun of it. Especially if I had a passenger. But, that's just me. I see the value in learning them, but I just try to avoid the situation all together.
 
bob loblaw said:
I know that a CFI can give spin training to a CFI candidate without wearing a parachute. But I don't see anywhere in the regulation an exemption provided for a CFI giving spin training to a private pilot. I will be the first to admit that I don't know it all, but the reg speaks for itself. If I am correct and you may not call filming spins "training" then you may have some splaining to do since you have a great shot of your face while doing the spins.
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Another JC member PM'd me over this exact same issue. Here is a copy of my response to him:

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I'm well aware of the regulations regarding parachutes during aerobatics. In fact, I discuss the regulatory use of parachutes with my students before we do spins, and I point out specifically why we are exempt from the regulation requiring parachutes.

The FAA is quite clear about the fact that if a flight is an instructional flight, parachutes are never required for spins, even though it is not spelled out very clearly in the regs. It doesn't matter if the student is using the flight to train for a CFI certificate or not. The logic behind this stance is that every rating requires spin awareness and actually doing spins is a valid way to become aware of them.

Advisory Circular 61-67C, Stall and Spin Awareness Training, is the most authoritative document that I know of that outlines the FAA's stance on performing spins. On page 14 of that document, it says:

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b. Because spin entry, spins, and spin recovery are required for a flight instructor certificate or rating, a person receiving instruction from a CFI (or an ATP instructing in accordance withsection 61.167) need not wear an approved parachute while instruction is being provided in these maneuvers. This provision applies regardless of the certificate or rating for which the person is receiving training and also if the person is receiving instruction that is not being provided for the purpose of obtaining any additional certificate or rating. The instructor providing the training is also not required to wear an approved parachute while providing this flight training.
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Here is a link to the AC in PDF form:
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/a2fdf912342e575786256ca20061e343/$FILE/AC61-67C.pdf

I know this is a commonly debated issue, but I'm very confident I did not break any regs.

Now, had we just gone out to goof around, I was not acting as an instructor, I performed a spin, and my friend just sat there, being a passenger, that would be a problem...

I hope I cleared things up. If you still aren't convinced of my position, please let me know. I'm willing to look at more evidence, but I think the advisory circular spells it out pretty well.
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As for videotaping the spins...since when does videotaping training make it no longer training? The clips don't include anything other than the actual spins. You don't hear the discussions we were having over the intercom, discussing the various elements of each spin. You don't hear the points I was making before and after each spin.

And for plastering my face on the video...I'm not trying to hide anything. If somebody really wanted to find out who made the video, they could find me, face or no face. We didn't break any regs, so what would I try to hide?
 
notawannabee said:
I, personally, would never do a spin for the fun of it. Especially if I had a passenger. But, that's just me. I see the value in learning them, but I just try to avoid the situation all together.
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First, this was not a passenger with me, it was a student.

But I understand what you're saying. You'd prefer not to put yourself in that position unless you have a specific reason to, and there is nothing wrong with that stance.

However, from an instructional standpoint, I believe that becoming comfortable with spins will make a person a better pilot. Every single person I've done spins with has increased their proficiency in stalls, gained a deeper understanding of the limits of an aircraft, and generally become noticeably more confident in handling the plane. I think the confidence that comes from this training is more than enough reason to do them.

What really gets me is when people act like spins are some wild, freaky, scary, outrageous, dangerous maneuver. They aren't. When done properly, with the right training, they are no more outrageous than a stall or steep turn. Just another maneuver, in my book.
 
bob loblaw said:
Yes, I read your entire post. What caught my eye was the fact that you said your buddy is a private pilot. You say that a training flight is exempt from the parachute rule, however, from FAR 91.307 (D) contradicts what you are saying.

Unless each occupant of the aircraft is wearing an approved parachute, no pilot of a civil aircraft carrying any person (other than a crewmember) may execute any intentional maneuver that exceeds—
(1) A bank of 60 degrees relative to the horizon; or
(2) A nose-up or nose-down attitude of 30 degrees relative to the horizon.
(d) Paragraph (c) of this section does not apply to—
(1) Flight tests for pilot certification or rating; or
(2) Spins and other flight maneuvers required by the regulations for any certificate or rating when given by—
(i) A certificated flight instructor; or
(ii) An airline transport pilot instructing in accordance with §61.67 of this chapter.

I know that a CFI can give spin training to a CFI candidate without wearing a parachute. But I don't see anywhere in the regulation an exemption provided for a CFI giving spin training to a private pilot. I will be the first to admit that I don't know it all, but the reg speaks for itself. If I am correct and you may not call filming spins "training" then you may have some splaining to do since you have a great shot of your face while doing the spins.
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Dude, you need to put that FAR down and relax!

-ColM
 
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