MusketeerMan
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Southwest vs. the FAA
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Gonzo
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They aren't just ask family members from Flight 261 or Flight 191 (UAL, Delta, NW, CAL all got lucky it wasn't one of them)
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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From SWA employees. It's the whole reason they have a job opening posted for an International Security Manager:
Southwest Airlines Safety and Federal Airport Security Department
Manager, International Security Operations - Dallas, TX
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Job Posting Number: 8868
Position Title: Manager, International Security Operations - Dallas, TX
Summary of Essential Job Functions:
- Must determine all laws, regulations, requirements and best practices necessary to ensure a secure operation by Southwest Airlines outside the boundaries of the United States of America.
- Must successfully communicate these necessary requirements to Southwest Airlines Leadership and operating departments.
- Must analyze and recommend effective methods for compliance.
- Must develop and implement auditing procedures to ensure compliance.
- Must draft, develop, lead implementation, and maintain a Security Management System (SeMS) in accord with IOSA Audit requirements.
- Must assist the Director - Federal Airport Security, as required, to implement, communicate, and enhance the existing Southwest Airlines Federal Security program.
- Must serve at a minimum every fourth week in rotation as the 24/7 "on call" duty manager for resolving security issues and questions within Southwest Airlines, and to fulfill the statutory mandate imposed on the Southwest Airlines Airline Operations Security Coordinator (AOSC) to be available to the federal government as required by the Aviation Transportation Security Act of 2001.
- Must be available to serve on special projects as directed by the Director - Federal Airport Security.
- Must be able to meet any physical ability requirements listed on this description.
- May perform other job duties as directed by Employee's Leaders.
- High School Diploma, GED or equivalent education required.
- Must be at least 18 years of age.
- Must have authorization to work in the United States as defined by the Immigration Reform Act of 1986.
- Education:
- Graduation from an undergraduate university program, or a demonstrable ability to communicate and conduct analysis at an equivalent level required. Completion, or progress toward completion of a post-graduate degree preferred.
- Ability to communicate bilingually preferred.
- Experience:
- Minimum of two years experience in a position requiring high level analysis and communication required.
- Job experience within an air carrier, governmental entity, or other organization in the areas of security, compliance, law or counter-terrorism strongly preferred.
- Experience in drafting and/or implementing a Security Management System preferred.
- A history of extensive foreign travel preferred.
- Licensing/Certification: Must be of sufficient character to successfully undergo background checks necessary to obtain a Federal Security Clearance at the Top Secret level.
- Physical Abilities:
- Must be able to work, as needed when required, long and irregular hours.
- Must be able to travel extensively to various destinations both within and outside the United States of America.
- Skills/Abilities/Knowledge/Work Style:
- Must be able to comply with Company attendance standards as described in established guidelines.
- Must be able to maintain strict confidentiality.
- Must be able to represent Southwest Airlines before government officials.
- Must be able to competently and confidently lead project teams.
- Must be a competent public speaker.
- Must successfully work within the Southwest Airlines Culture.
- Other Qualifications: Must maintain a well-groomed appearance.
I thought the PIC had the final authority over the flight, and it is their (our) job to insure that the aircraft is airworthy. I personally know pilots who have had cert's pulled because their company failed to have the proper maintenance performed. Of course we don't want to think any of our brethren should be blamed for corporate decisions, but it is their life/career if one of those aircraft were to have an accident.
SmoothLanderJ
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LOL....WOW......
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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At most airlines, at least at the majors, that responsibility is specifically removed from the pilots in the approved manuals. For instance, at AirTran, I have absolutely zero responsibility over determining whether the Airworthiness Cert, Registration, FCC permit, etc... is on board and valid. That responsibility is solely on mx. The only thing I have to look for is a valid airworthiness release in the last 5 days worth of logbook pages. If that's there, my responsibility is done.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Based on what data? I worked there for 3 years, and I never saw anything like what you just described....
Stone Cold
Well-Known Member
You might want to rephrase that...look up Delta 191...
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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You and I would probably disagree on what a good safety culture includes, so I won't get into it. Suffice it to say that taxiing at 30+ knots is not what I consider a safe operation.
Velocipede
New Member
AMEN!
I witnessed this for 3 years at IND on the ramp. It was kind of a joke around the line office.
Gotta get those flights turned yesterday!!!
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
But that's not what you said. You said:
First off, the pilots WOULD be to blame for taxiing at 30 kts. I don't see taxiing fast as a "corner cutting" issue. Well, maybe if you go in the grass for cutting a corner to tight.
What you were implying was that management puts pressure on people to pencil whip, ignore and shove things under the rug in order to get flights out on time. THAT would be cutting corners. For every SWA guy that taxis fast, I've seen at LEAST one that taxis at a normal speed. Never once heard of anyone getting reprimanded for taxiing too slow. I saw an Eagle ERJ taxiing so fast I thought he was gonna rotate on the taxiiway. Does that mean Eagle management pressures them to do so? Nope. It's the pilot's choice.
Now, you want a good example of a management team that DOES put pressure on people to cut corners, I can show ya a good one....
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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Nope. Not in my opinion, anyway. It happens because of the culture that is fostered by management and the training department. Checkairmen encourage this activity. A fanatical devotion to on-time flights at any cost encourages this activity. The pilots on FLG3701 did many unsafe things, but I don't blame them for the accident. I blame Phil Trenary and the management team and training department that created a non-existent safety culture.
Beg to differ. It's extremely rare that I see an SWA airplane taxiing at a safe speed. Maybe 5% of the time. Gotta get that on-time arrival, you know.
Believe me, I'm all too familiar.
zmiller4
Well-Known Member
Is that because you would have to suffer the injustice of a 48% average pay increase?
Wait....WTF? That's some serious buck-passing right there.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Is that because you would have to suffer the injustice of a 48% average pay increase?
It just ain't worth it.
Nope. Trust me, until you've dealt with that management team, you really can't understand.
Tram
Well-Known Member
Exactly what I was thinkin...
"Your planes are not safe, but we'll let you keep flyin' them!"
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Sorry, I have to still blame the pilots. They made a conscious decision to operate the aircraft in the way they did. I agree that the training dept here lacks a LOT, but the CA is still responsible for operating the aircraft in a safe manner. Switching seats, not checking the weight vs altitude chart and acting like juvenile school kids had nothing to do with the training dept. IMO, once you become PIC of a 121 aircraft "I didn't know any better" is no longer a valid excuse.
It's still different than what you were aluding to. Taxiing fast doesn't necessarily mean that they have a dangerous safety culture as you are implying.
FlyChicaga
Vintage Restoration
How in tune to the culture of Southwest are you? From what I've seen during extensive interaction with Southwest employees, their company promotes a very safety-conscious culture. They also do have a culture that encourages going above and beyond to get the job done, but never at the expense of safety. I think you are seeing things you want to see. You can talk all day about the BUR and MDW overrun accidents, but you'll see similar events at every major airline out there. We are all just one mistake away from being the next FLG3701, Comair 5191, or CorpEx 5766.
As for the crew of FLG3701, it absolutely astounds me that you will absolve them of any wrongdoing in the crash. Safety culture or not, to take an airplane and do what they did is a complete lack of professionalism. As professionals, we should know better than to joyride in a transport category aircraft.