Sounds like PFT or PF Time ?

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NC_BE300

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I have heard about an internship offered to some schools with a company that might provide 300-400 FO turbine hours for $7500. For that amount of time and a "Flight Intern" name, that sounds like a PFT situation. How much does a 15-30 seat turboprop type rating average now? Sounds like that might be required, depending on the FO situation. If this was done would an airline interview at a regional or major explaining this previous job be good or bad for someone? The job is a "Paid position". Right now low TT and multi time is an issue, and makes this sound interesting. I know all about the Gulfstream Intl PFT how it was not that good for the next interview, but if it was done at a small company is that any better? I would assume that it is NO BETTER.
Thoughts about this?
 
Well if it walks like PFT and sounds like PFT, it's PFT! You want to get paid to fly, not pay to fly! I'd stay away from that.
 
how is the job a paid position when you have to plunk down 8 grand just to get the "privledge" of flying their turboprop?
 
i know someone who thinks gulfstream acadamy is the best idea under the sun. Do the airlines frown on that? I know i told him its a bad idea, i've paid more than enough to learn to fly i don't need adding a type rating to become a precedent...

it all started when one day someone said "if i pay for my own private license, then i can get a job faster." The next guy, "if i pay for my instrument rating too then i'll have a leg up on the other guy." The third guy thinks, "ill pay my own instrument/multi/commerical" and thinks he's best now. Please fourth guy don't say "if i buy my own type rating then ill be the best one in the group"
 
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it all started when one day someone said "if i pay for my own private license, then i can get a job faster." The next guy, "if i pay for my instrument rating too then i'll have a leg up on the other guy." The third guy thinks, "ill pay my own instrument/multi/commerical" and thinks he's best now. Please fourth guy don't say "if i buy my own type rating then ill be the best one in the group"

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I wouldn't quite go that far...
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I don't think that paying for your own flight training is asking too much!!
 
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i know someone who thinks gulfstream acadamy is the best idea under the sun. Do the airlines frown on that? I know i told him its a bad idea, i've paid more than enough to learn to fly i don't need adding a type rating to become a precedent...

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I might give Gulfstream a break is they included a type rating (or at least a discount one) in their program. Then it wouldn't be TOTALLY paying for the pleasure of flying people around. I think they may be the only airline whose cost per seat mile is negative. You got the pax AND the FO paying to fly, so the only person you have to pay is the captain.
 
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i know someone who thinks gulfstream acadamy is the best idea under the sun. Do the airlines frown on that? I know i told him its a bad idea, i've paid more than enough to learn to fly i don't need adding a type rating to become a precedent...

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I might give Gulfstream a break is they included a type rating (or at least a discount one) in their program. Then it wouldn't be TOTALLY paying for the pleasure of flying people around. I think they may be the only airline whose cost per seat mile is negative. You got the pax AND the FO paying to fly, so the only person you have to pay is the captain.

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And some people still try to justify it as a good idea because they pay you $8/hr as a FO. If you pay them $100/hr to fly their plane, and they pay you $8 back, you're still paying them. $8/hr is nothing after spending all that money on flying. I make almost twice that as a CFI and I didn't have to pay the flight school for the opportunity to teach their students.
 
thats the excuse everyone tries to use to justify that stuff. You would have to fly 3,125 hours just to break even let alone figuring out when mommy and daddy can send you your next food check.. theres no way to be a winner at gulfstream or any program like it. Even with that internship if they "paid" you $8/hr you would still have to fly nearly 940 hours before you broke even. thats a year worth of flying
 
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You should never have to pay for the opportunity to be an "intern"

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EXACTLY.
Seeing that made me really wonder about the program.
What I've heard about this company is that they do mostly sightseeing tours in the turboprop a/c. The only difference between PFT at an airline like Gulfstream and this one is that they are using interns at a corporate outfit instead of FO's in that airline setting.
 
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You should never have to pay for the opportunity to be an "intern"

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Intern is basically a word for legalized slave labor anyway. It's bad enough that you're doing a lot of work and not getting paid. If I had to PAY for that experience, I'd be upset. Now, (and say what you will about this) if the Gulfstream deal was set up like a real internship (i.e. you fly for the experience and not the paycheck) I think I might honestly consider it. I would only do it for a short period of time, if I had enough money to live on in savings, and until I got the hours I needed. I draw the line at paying someone else for the privlege of a flying job.
 
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What comanies offer 300- 400 hours first officer time for $7500?? And what is a PFT.

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PFT= Pay For Training... ie you pay them to give you a job...

Not my idea of fun...
 
Pay for Training... I think that is the worst way to put it, because it just confuses people as to what it really means. Everybody 'pays' for training.

What it really is and should be called is pay for time or PFJ (pay for job)... It's annoying to have so much confusion fogging up something that should be easily identifiable as BAD
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basically you are paying to sit in the right seat of an aircraft when in fact they should be paying a pilot to do that job. You are stealing someones job when you do it.
 
If ti looks like a duck, talks like a duck, and wlkas like a duck, it IS a duck. Don't do it.

As a side note to anyone out there flying the line, how are pilots trained at places like Gulfstream viewed? Does it ever come up where your training was completed. I am just trying to picture it when someone says, yes, I was hired at Gulfstream. I only ask, becuase these places are only in business because there are people out there willing to do such a thing and pay for their right seat.
 
I think Pinnacle takes a lot of Gulfstream people. I'm sure there are others out there, but that's the only one coming to mind right now.
 
I'll have to ask my PPL CFI. He just got hired at Pinnacle after flying right seat in a Citaion for a year. From what I understand, Pinnacle also does not provide any salary while in training ( almost 2 months). Man that has to suck. Do other carriers do the same? Two months without no dough coming in. Yikes....
 
Yeah, I really don't like Pinnacle's training part of their contract, but I've heard that's one of the top priorities of their new contract. My best friend is in training at Mesa right now, and here's how they break down. You foot the bill for your hotel the first week until you pass all of your tests, then they pick up the hotel for systems, sims, etc. You still get a paycheck the whole time, though.
 
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