Somewhat "dumb" logbook question, but I gotta ask

Beechlover

Beechlover

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For those of you logging "Turbine" (Jet) time, do you also log "Complex" or "High Performance" time along side? I'm thinking the answer is no based on FAR definition of those times but, I just wanna be sure just the same. Thanks in advance guys!
 
I do, if it is a complex or high performance aircraft. I don't know any turbine powered aircraft that has 200 or less HP but the Caravan for example has fixed gear.
 
neither...I have a decent amount of caravan time...turbine is implied...i stopped logging complex, high performance several jobs ago. either way I didn't log it as either,
 
Not too far off the thread, but getting a type rating does not automatically count as a HP endorsement.
 
I have Logbook Pro as well, it does log Complex only because I've set my plane up that way (E-190) But now that I'm looking at things a little more critically, I dont think the E-190 meets the definition of Complex where FAR 61.31 says "Retractable Landing Gear, Flaps, AND Controllable Pitch Prop." Hence the reason I would think the Caravan doesn't qualify as it has a fixed gear. I don't think the 190 would either based on not having a Contrallable Pitch Prop. As for the "High Performance" criteria.., FAR 61.31 defines that as operating an aircraft with an engine that is greater than 200 horse power. So my thinking is that these two things do not relate to Turbine or more specifically "Turbo Fan" aircraft. I may have just answered my own question, but I just wanted to get a consensus on what other Turbo Fan Pilots are logging. Thanks again for all the replies!
 
Beechlover said:
For those of you logging "Turbine" (Jet) time, do you also log "Complex" or "High Performance" time along side? I'm thinking the answer is no based on FAR definition of those times but, I just wanna be sure just the same. Thanks in advance guys!
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I only log Turbine, never the other two (even if a high performance piston).
 
I only log HP and Complex for insurance reasons on the 320. Other than that, maybe you could call something like a PC12 or PA46T complex... I doubt it would really matter in that case though.
 
Once you have your commercial/multi, what's the point of HP or complex? Maybe depending on what career path you're aiming for, but it's really not important after getting to that point.
 
BrewMaster said:
Once you have your commercial/multi, what's the point of HP or complex? .
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A DPA said, insurace reasons, rental/checkout reasons.

"Sorry, our insurnce carrier says you can't rent our Bonanza since you can't prove you have enough hours in complex AND high performance airplanes." or "Sorry, since you can't show at least 50 hours of multi-engine time, high performance time and complex time, you'll need to take 10 hours (sometimes 25) of dual instruction in our Cessna 310 before you can rent it & fly on your own"
 
BrewMaster said:
Once you have your commercial/multi, what's the point of HP or complex? Maybe depending on what career path you're aiming for, but it's really not important after getting to that point.
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I went back to rent a 182 and needed to get a HP endorsement. Did not really matter since I needed a check out anyway.
 
Haven't logged complex, HP, XC etc...in a loooong time. Come to think of it, I haven't logged anything in a looooong time. Did I hear logbook pro is now available for mac? I need to get up to date.
 
I always thought the definition of HP was "200hp, or turbine powered". Was that changed recently?

On the 200hp issue, you can probably go online somewhere and find the equivalent HP output of your jet engine, so I'd say you're safe logging HP time.

Now the complex time in a jet...do stator vanes count as controllable pitch? :-)

I'd still log complex time anyway...
 
Thanks again guys for all the replies. I've decided "Turbine/Turbofan" time is more appropriate than "High perfomance" which I feel is more geared to piston engine aircraft. As far as logging "complex", I've removed it from my commercial flights as a 190 FO. I think it would be safe to assume "Complex" is implied besides AND the 190 does not have a "Controllable Prop." Maybe the FAA will define yet another category to log such as "Transport" or "FMS/EICAS/FADEC" i dunno lol. Take care
 
Chief Captain said:
I always thought the definition of HP was "200hp, or turbine powered". Was that changed recently?

On the 200hp issue, you can probably go online somewhere and find the equivalent HP output of your jet engine, so I'd say you're safe logging HP time.

Now the complex time in a jet...do stator vanes count as controllable pitch? :-)

I'd still log complex time anyway...
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Don't forget, HP is MORE than 200hp, not 200. I got my IFR\Comm\CFI in an Arrow that is 200hp, all complex, but not HP.
 
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