Something that should never happen!!!

Velocipede said:
Let me remind you of one thing. Since 9/11 and the fortress doors were implemented, there is a placard posted on the cockpit door: "Flight Crew Only." As a reminder, part of the F/A passenger brief is that passengers (you) must adhere to all placards and flight crew instructions.

Taken literally, unless you are an approved jumpseater, you have absolutely NO BUSINESS approaching the flight deck. Perhaps that's the "rest of the story."
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Nah, not on the ground. I can't tell you how many parents and kids have come up to chat and take a few pictures. I personally like chatting and making good business with the flying public.
 
The guy acted like a jerk. Why? Who knows.

Let it go. There's no reason to ruin your day because he was having a bad day. Keep it in mind as an example of what you do not want to be like.
 
I always try to chat with pilots’ I see sitting around the terminals. Well, I actually try to size them up a bit first and make sure they are not the supreme bunghole type.
Never really given any thought to trying to chat while they are in the cockpit at work, whether they are killing time or not. However, that being said, with your side of the story, there was no real reason for the Captain to be a jerk about it all.
 
In other words, dont put yourself in a position to deal with passengers if you dont want to deal with passengers.
 
rausda27 said:
There are two sides to every story. Just like the "I got hosed" thread, I am sure there were details that were left out of that one as well.
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I don't care how many sides you put on this one, there was still no reason for them to act like that. I personally don't think I needed to word anything different. That line has gotten me on every flightdeck I have ever been on. What if I did know the FO...it is non of his business why I want to talk to him. And I don't care what they were doing or how bad of a day they were having, I would rather have them lock themselves up front rather than bringing it to the cabin.

And just to clarify it once again, I am not letting it ruin my day I just would have hated to see that happen to some paying passenger that just wanted to take a peek.

Anyway, I am not complaining or anything, just wanted to share this experience with you(jc) like everyone else does.
 
Well, it sucks that they were so rude, but I would be grumpy too if I had to fly out of ATL everyday for poverty wages that will threaten to lower further at the next contract negotiation. Congratulations on the job, I'm glad some of you still want to do this. I couldn't do it.:buck:
 
Maybe the captain was bent because you were asking to talk to the FO instead of him. Then there is always the possibility that the FO was complete tool, :drool: and had the captain was already past his boiling point. Then this Joe somebody comes and specifically wants to talk to him?!?

I don't know...just speculation on my part. It was probably just bad timing, don't let it ruin your day/week.
 
CRoper said:
Maybe the captain was bent because you were asking to talk to the FO instead of him.
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You know you might be on to something. That seems more reasonable than anything else. Still doesn't mean he could treat me like that but still though. I just didn't want to hold up the line and bother him while he was greeting people. I would have talked to him if the FO was greeting people. Thanks for the input.
 
Pilotdude3407 said:
I don't care how many sides you put on this one, there was still no reason for them to act like that. I personally don't think I needed to word anything different. That line has gotten me on every flightdeck I have ever been on. What if I did know the FO...it is non of his business why I want to talk to him. And I don't care what they were doing or how bad of a day they were having, I would rather have them lock themselves up front rather than bringing it to the cabin.
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I'm not going to try and defend this Capt's actions since I wasn't present nor do I know him. There ARE two sides (usually 3, yours, theirs and the truth which generally lies somewhere in the middle) to every story (that's why we have courts) and things may not always appear as obvious as they seem.

Having said that, pilots are not emotionless robots that the FAA would like for us to be. We don't always come to work with a kick to our step or without a care in the world as we gleefully look forward to another exciting day at the office of meeting people and jetting off to yet another exotic location. There are a few I've wondered about, but most of us are human beings that come with all the outside baggage, worries and frailties associated with being, well.. human. We all have our good days and not so good days which some handle better than others. I've learned over the years that you never really know what is going on in someone else's life at any given time. We all handle pressure and life stressors differently.

That Captain (crew) may have been having a really bad day..for them anyway(maybe not for you). He (they) may have just been the bearer of bad news (may be personal or work related). Admit it, we've all been there! If you haven't then your either really young or you've been really fortunate or lucky. He may have had a prior past experience with a passenger coming up looking for.. ?? He may have been trying to protect a new f/o until finding out who you were? He may have not liked the way you look or approached him. Having been a sim instructor and taped many sim sessions over the years during training it is interesting to have the student say, "Did I really come across like that..." Sometimes we're not aware of how we come across even when we don't mean to be. You may have come across differently than you thought.

In the end, don't take it personally, or assume, or come to the instant conclusion that this Capt should be hung out to dry or is anti-social simply because he acted as if he didn't want to talk to you. He just may have been having one of those bad days that all humans are entitled to occasionally.

We don't get many visitors anymore post 9/11. Prior to that we use to get quite a few and sometimes groups of kids (cub scouts, etc) . It was always fun to talk to the kids or to the local private pilot who was just hanging around at the airport. Unfortunately, post 9/11 has closed that door of interaction and we seldom get visitors anymore. I miss those days!
 
Getting someone who is interested in seeing the airplane is always a breathe of fresh air for me and takes me back to aviation at its purist and not the other junk.
 
I too agree with A300. There are days when crossing the pond when we love to have people up front giving the grand tour. Now, fast forward two weeks after flying your @xx off, 18 hours into a 26 hour day with an airplane that doesn't want to cooperate and a wife that is f*ing pi**ed becasue you missed the kid's birthday AGAIN, and guess what...ain't NOBODY getting the tour today.
 
SW pilots are really good about chatting. Ive stopped by their cockpits numerous times. Most are always willing to talk for a few minutes about aviation. One CA even gave me a phone number of an SWA pilot in Vegas that was all about mentoring aspiring pilots and owns a Piper Warrior. I saw that same CA not long ago and I was on his flight again, he invited me up to the cockpit while the PX boarded. I mentioned JC and him and the FO seemed to know a lot about it :). BTW Congrats on the job pilotdude. In my experience of being a nosey aviation nerd I find there are far more pilots willing to talk about anything then there are asses. I fly a lot for work and always try to stop by and thank the crew. They like that :). Perhaps he was a check CA and the FO was doing his IOE and was effing up left and right.
 
GalaxyIFE said:
I too agree with A300. There are days when crossing the pond when we love to have people up front giving the grand tour. Now, fast forward two weeks after flying your @xx off, 18 hours into a 26 hour day with an airplane that doesn't want to cooperate and a wife that is f*ing pi**ed becasue you missed the kid's birthday AGAIN, and guess what...ain't NOBODY getting the tour today.
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I will say what I always say to this comment.....why are you still working for an airline? I understand people have bad days but as I stated before, why would you take it out on a passenger? This is your JOB...it is what you get paid to do. My dad flew for Delta for 25 years and continued to work for Delta until his 37th year when he passed away...and you know what, he never had a bad comment said about him. He was always nice to passengers...to flight attendants...ground crew...and other pilots, and before anyone argues with me, I have an old file that is filled with hand written notes that were sent in to his CP from people that appreciated his good service. This is why I get so mad at people that treat passengers bad, because it is a load of junk. Even if you have a bad day, you can still come accross as kind to other people and if you cannot muster up a good attitude for a few minutes if someone wants to talk to you about YOUR airplane then you don't have any business in this industry. Any one of you can call me crazy and say how I don't know what I am talking about and how I am wrong, but as I have said I have hard evidence in front of me that it CAN be done and therefore as I embark on my new career, I am going to keep that in mind each time the going gets tuff.

I believe this thread and more importantly this topic about attitudes has worn out its welcome on this forum....therefore I will say no more about it and it can make its way down the list.
 
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