Some questions about part 121, 61, 141, international

cloudseer

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I'm 38, no wife, no kids.

Have a Ph.D., work at a univ. as a professor. Loved my job for the first few years, but am bored by it now. Very bored.

I am looking for a career change. I've thought deeply, and decided that my next career is going to be something to do with "adventure." I've always wanted to travel extensively, and always wanted to fly planes. Hence, am exploring becoming a professional pilot.

Though it sounds radical, such a decision wouldn't be difficult for me because I have no dependents, no debt, and I've always been a bit of a rootless, free-bird type. I have enough spare cash that I can easily pay an amount like 70k for pilot training without needing a loan.

I've been researching various forums (inluding these) for a while now, and I have some questions. The list of questions is long. Please feel free to answer any part of my questions list, and to ignore the rest. I'll be grateful for part answers, or even for your general opinions.

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Part 1) About impending changes in part 121.

I see 3 major developments about to happen in the near future in the passenger airline industry:
1) Airline new hires will need to have minimum 1,500 hours tt as opposed to 250 tt (I think the switchover date is 2013).
2) Pilots will have a mandated increase in rest time (not sure of switchover date).
3) Pilots who got a reprieve from retirement in 2008 will have to retire in 2013 (the retirement age was raised from 60 to 65).

Here are my questions:
i) If someone were to join a 141 school in 2012 and acquire somewhere around 500 tt hrs during the year, and get hired at an airline before the year is up, then will there be a problem in 2013 because this pilot didn't have 1,500 hrs? Or will this person get grandfathered in?
ii) What is the likelihood that the 1,500 hrs requirement may be delayed by a year or more? Think it's likely?
iii) It looks like a whole bunch of pilots with low hours are going to get stuck in no-man's land even as the airlines are going to be desperate to hire. For people with just around 300 hrs, it'll take a long time to get to 1,500 via the CFI route. What other options can you think of that they could use to get to 1,500?

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Part 2) About international transferability of pilot certifications/licenses

Here are my questions:
i) I live in the U.S. However, I've been researching flight schools in Europe and Australia/NZ, and some of them seem to be very good, with residential programs, and prices comparable to 141 schools in the U.S. Has anyone ever done their training abroad, and then tried to transfer to the U.S. (or vice versa?). What are the advantages or disadvantages of training in the U.S. vs. Europe vs. Australia/NZ?
ii) Like I said earlier, my primary goal is adventure. Something tells me that flying around Europe is going to be more interesting than the U.S. (with the history, old cities, etc.). Any thoughts to share on this? Anyone here who moved from the U.S. to (say) a regional in Europe? What was the change like?
iii) A few years along in one market (say U.S.), how much work is it for a pilot to get equivalent licenses in another market (say Europe, or vice versa)?

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Part 3) About part 61 vs part 141

I live in a part of the country where we unfortunately don't have any flight schools (there used to be one, but it shut down due to the bad economy). I'm in touch with a great instructor, and he's trying to find a plane for me (he sold his). Let's see how that pans out. But even if it does pan out in my favor, I suspect it's going to take me a long time to get my licenses using that route.

I've contacted some 141 schools. So far, ATP has looked the strongest to me. And they're talking a $60,000 fee and 5 months to get --> PPL, IR, CPL, CFI, CFII, MEI. Of course, it'll cost another $15,000 or so for examiners, textbooks, etc.

Anyone got ideas on 141 schools offering a better deal (and that also happen to be better than the best ATP schools)?

Moving is not an issue for me. I'm willing to relocate for the duration of the flight training.

Also, I've been reading here and there about how 61 schools can cost half of 141 schools? Is this true? I need your opinions on this. I'd be happy to join a part 61 school if it can guarantee an accelerated program for me (like a part 141). How do I research part 61 schools? If you know of a suitable part 61 school and don't want to name it here, would you please pm me its name?

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Well, that's all for today folks (whew!). I'm expecting to take a test flight or two in a week or so. That's going to be my clue as to whether this career is suitable for me. I think I'm probably going to enjoy it, given how much I enjoy my FSX. The local instructor (the one without a plane) who is going to fly me out told me about how amazed he was that his last student loaded the maps of our airport on to FSX and used to practice maneuvers and flight plans on FSX before actually flying them on a real plane! Pretty cool way to gain confidence I thought!
 
If you are looking for adventure, ATP/141/Regional Airline is about the least adventure you are going to find.

1500 hour has been beaten to death, short answer, no one knows. Smart answer is don't worry about it - there is much more flying out there than airlines. Most of it more adventurous.

Don't quit your day job, and get your PPL on the side.
 
You said your primary goal is travel and adventure. Are you also prepared for the reality of the day to day job of airline flying? You will not be flying around Europe, Australia, or NZ unless you obtain the right to work there, so you can likely scratch those (the airlines from those areas won't sponsor you.) As a junior pilot you will be on reserve and you will see a lot of the country but really, how many times do you need to go to Omaha, NE before you get sick of it. When you get some seniority you can use your good schedule and travel benefits to travel the world but finances will still be a major limit on how much you can travel, even moreso since you will be working less so you can travel more. In aviation you always have to think of your long term goals and balance those against your short term quality of life. If you take every job opportunity and upgrade towards your major airline captain goal, you will be sacrificing your schedule all the time. If you decline upgrade and opportunity you will be sacrificing job movement and money in favor of a better schedule.

You should sit down and picture yourself as a frustrated and bored airline pilot because you will likely be there someday if you want to be. Then weigh that picture of you against the frustrated and bored professor you are now. Ask yourself if it's worth the time and effort. I really don't mean to be negative but you should think about ALL aspects of what you are considering.

If I were you I would take a few weeks off to travel, spend 3-5k on a decent trip somewhere. THEN decide what you want. If you decide not to do it, you'll finances will be in a lot better shape than if you drop 10 times that amount on flight training only to decide it's not for you.
 
The 1500 requirement will most likely have the 800 hour amendment passed by 2013. I did all my training part 61 and yes it does cost about half; depending on the school you can get your ratings at any pace you want. The best website I have found about the career that shows the good, bad and the ugly is here http://thetruthabouttheprofession.weebly.com/.
 
What the other Dawg said, it is pretty rare that any of my airline buddy's can make it on exciting overseas trips... Either they can't get the time off, or can't afford it once they get there.

Hey, even doing a domestic weekend trip can be tough. Short staffed airlines are probably the new reality for a while.

On the other hand, being a CFI on the side ain't a bad gig. No plane around you? Buy one and hang up a shingle (you already have an instructor, and know it is an underserved market, and know a bit about teaching presumably)
 
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