Solo Endorsement for student

SilkyD

SilkyD

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Hi,
I've got a quick question and just wanted to get some feedback. At the place I instruct out of, I will be working with a student who is about 1 hour shy of meeting his solo requirement for his ppl. He already has his 90 day endorsement from his primary instructor. However, his primary CFI is out sick and will be out for another few days at least. My question is, when I fly with the student in the pattern a few times, and if his t/o and landings look good, can I send him out to finish his 1 hour with the primary instructors endorsement or do I need to endorse anything. I think I don't, but just wanted to double check.
 
Does his solo endorsement have any limitations stated by his endorsing instructor? If not you dont even need to fly with him or supervise him. If he had access to the airplane he could walk up and legally fly it solo. 61.87(n)

Do not "re-"endorse him yourself unless you've completed all training and determined proficiency in all maneuvers and procedures of 61.87 yourself with this student in that specific make/model. (61.87(p))
 
rframe said:
Does his solo endorsement have any limitations stated by his endorsing instructor? If not you dont even need to fly with him or supervise him. If he had access to the airplane he could walk up and legally fly it solo. 61.87(n)

Do not "re-"endorse him yourself unless you've completed all training and determined proficiency in all maneuvers and procedures of 61.87 yourself with this student in that specific make/model. (61.87(p))
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rframe,
Thanks. The only limitation is for cross winds no more than 5 knots. But I will have to double check on that.
 
You must log all the items in part 61 prior to signing him off for solo (I am assuming part 61 vs. 141). Going around the pattern will not cut it.
 
Blackhawk,
Even though he already has his 90 day endorsement from his primary CFI? He just needs 1 hour to get to 10 hours of total solo time. My understanding is that I don't need to endorse him as his primary CFI already has?
 
SilkyD said:
Blackhawk,
Even though he already has his 90 day endorsement from his primary CFI? He just needs 1 hour to get to 10 hours of total solo time. My understanding is that I don't need to endorse him as his primary CFI already has?
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"61.87
(p) Limitations on flight instructors authorizing solo flight. No instructor may authorize a student pilot to perform a solo flight unless that instructor has—
(1) Given that student pilot training in the make and model of aircraft or a similar make and model of aircraft in which the solo flight is to be flown;
(2) Determined the student pilot is proficient in the maneuvers and procedures prescribed in this section;
(3) Determined the student pilot is proficient in the make and model of aircraft to be flown;
(4) Ensured that the student pilot's certificate has been endorsed by an instructor authorized to provide flight training for the specific make and model aircraft to be flown; and
(5) Endorsed the student pilot's logbook for the specific make and model aircraft to be flown, and that endorsement remains current for solo flight privileges, provided an authorized instructor updates the student's logbook every 90 days thereafter."

What are the maneuvers and procedures prescribed in this section?



"(d) Maneuvers and procedures for pre-solo flight training in a single-engine airplane. A student pilot who is receiving training for a single-engine airplane rating or privileges must receive and log flight training for the following maneuvers and procedures:
(1) Proper flight preparation procedures, including preflight planning and preparation, powerplant operation, and aircraft systems;
(2) Taxiing or surface operations, including runups;
(3) Takeoffs and landings, including normal and crosswind;
(4) Straight and level flight, and turns in both directions;
(5) Climbs and climbing turns;
(6) Airport traffic patterns, including entry and departure procedures;
(7) Collision avoidance, windshear avoidance, and wake turbulence avoidance;
(8) Descents, with and without turns, using high and low drag configurations;
(9) Flight at various airspeeds from cruise to slow flight;
(10) Stall entries from various flight attitudes and power combinations with recovery initiated at the first indication of a stall, and recovery from a full stall;
(11) Emergency procedures and equipment malfunctions;
(12) Ground reference maneuvers;
(13) Approaches to a landing area with simulated engine malfunctions;
(14) Slips to a landing; and
(15) Go-arounds."
"
 
If you want to fly with him for a couple circuits around the pattern that's fine, it's just dual given... but you're not authorizing him for solo flight because he's already been authorized.
 
What rframe wrote. What I referenced and what he wrote earlier is in reference to the pilot getting a "fresh" 90 day endorsement. If there is no log of all the training required with YOUR signature on that line do not sign off the pilot's 90 day endorsement.
 
There is no regulatory requirement to make another endorsement in a situation such as you described. It could be argued that doing so would expose you to more risk. However, whatever you do, I'd consult with the recommending instructor for a couple reasons.
 
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