I_Money
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Here in Socal - check out the photo......
http://kcal9.com/localnews/localnewsla_story_236142919.html
http://kcal9.com/localnews/localnewsla_story_236142919.html
Socal Mid-Air - Picture
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FalconCapt
New Member
What is with all the mid-airs lately???
mtsu_av8er
Well-Known Member
They call the Citabria a kit plane....am I missing something?
CaptainMatt
Well-Known Member
I drove by yesterday, earlier in the day before it happened. It's too bad, so close to home. Does anyone know what each of the planes was doing? Like was one banner towing or something. I know that a plane was flying along the beach earlier in the day towing a banner.
Anybody hear? I'm going to be going to santa paula tomorrow so maybe I can find out some info.
Anybody hear? I'm going to be going to santa paula tomorrow so maybe I can find out some info.
mtsu_av8er
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The call the Citabria a kit plane....am I missing something?
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One was a kit plane, the other a Citabria.
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The article said :
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Authorities say a Thorp-18 based in Torrance and carrying two people and a Citabria 7ECA, which was kept in Santa Paula, collided about 5:30 p.m. Sunday roughly 100 yards off El Matador State Beach.
Both are single-engine kit planes.
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Just pointing out that either they don't know what they're saying, or they're trying to drum up panic.....
Or maybe there is a Citabria Kit Plane....
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The call the Citabria a kit plane....am I missing something?
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One was a kit plane, the other a Citabria.
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The article said :
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Authorities say a Thorp-18 based in Torrance and carrying two people and a Citabria 7ECA, which was kept in Santa Paula, collided about 5:30 p.m. Sunday roughly 100 yards off El Matador State Beach.
Both are single-engine kit planes.
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Just pointing out that either they don't know what they're saying, or they're trying to drum up panic.....
Or maybe there is a Citabria Kit Plane....
FalconCapt
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Just pointing out that either they don't know what they're saying, or they're trying to drum up panic.....
Or maybe there is a Citabria Kit Plane....
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The media is notorious for screwing up facts whenever it pertains to Aviation...
Just pointing out that either they don't know what they're saying, or they're trying to drum up panic.....
Or maybe there is a Citabria Kit Plane....
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The media is notorious for screwing up facts whenever it pertains to Aviation...
mtsu_av8er
Well-Known Member
It's shameful.
Windchill
Well-Known Member
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The media is notorious for screwing up facts whenever it pertains to Aviation...
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The media is notorious for screwing up facts whenever it pertains to ANYTHING!
Such a tragedy, really hate to see these happen. It worries me at times, because in the daytime I have trouble picking up a/c, even when ATC gives me a position for them.
One thing I like about night flying is it's a bit easier to pick up traffic.
The media is notorious for screwing up facts whenever it pertains to Aviation...
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The media is notorious for screwing up facts whenever it pertains to ANYTHING!
Such a tragedy, really hate to see these happen. It worries me at times, because in the daytime I have trouble picking up a/c, even when ATC gives me a position for them.
One thing I like about night flying is it's a bit easier to pick up traffic.
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The media is notorious for screwing up facts whenever it pertains to Aviation...
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The media is notorious for screwing up facts whenever it pertains to ANYTHING!
Such a tragedy, really hate to see these happen. It worries me at times, because in the daytime I have trouble picking up a/c, even when ATC gives me a position for them.
One thing I like about night flying is it's a bit easier to pick up traffic.
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Following the midair collision of a BE-99 and a Rockwell 114 near San Lusi Obispo in the 1980s, a local news station was at the local airport as their background. They reported that the Rockwell crew was on an instrument training flight, and that the crew was practicing "flying blind". The camera then pans over to a parked Mooney and shows it sitting with it's silver sun shades in the window.......all part of the "flying blind" gig.
Dumb blonde reporter. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif
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The media is notorious for screwing up facts whenever it pertains to Aviation...
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The media is notorious for screwing up facts whenever it pertains to ANYTHING!
Such a tragedy, really hate to see these happen. It worries me at times, because in the daytime I have trouble picking up a/c, even when ATC gives me a position for them.
One thing I like about night flying is it's a bit easier to pick up traffic.
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Following the midair collision of a BE-99 and a Rockwell 114 near San Lusi Obispo in the 1980s, a local news station was at the local airport as their background. They reported that the Rockwell crew was on an instrument training flight, and that the crew was practicing "flying blind". The camera then pans over to a parked Mooney and shows it sitting with it's silver sun shades in the window.......all part of the "flying blind" gig.
Dumb blonde reporter. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif
CaptainChris87
New Member
LOL to that one MikeD. by the way I heared on the news that
the one of the flights departed from SNA (Orange County John Wayne), can anyone varify that? or is the article Ian posted 100 percent accurate?
the one of the flights departed from SNA (Orange County John Wayne), can anyone varify that? or is the article Ian posted 100 percent accurate?
Acadia
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I was almost in an east coast version of that yesterday (Monday). I was about six miles south of my airport on a commercial (part 91) scenic flight and I had just made a call that I was setting up for a 45 for left downwind for the active runway. I made a slight right turn to show my passengers something and flash a 172 or 182 ripped by my left side on a reciprocal course within 20 feet of my altitude and within about 100-150’ of my aircraft.
I am probably the most paranoid pilot out there. I am constantly scanning for traffic, lifting my wings to look above, and making clearing turns. We have lots of aircraft out on scenic flights in this area so you really have to be on the ball looking 100% of the time. Despite my efforts I never saw the potential head on until it was over and based on the other aircrafts flight path I don’t think they saw me. I also like to make plenty of radio calls as I approach the field and I was a little ticked that this aircraft was operating so close to a fairly busy airport and was not even on the frequency (there is no other significant airport for 30 miles).
BTW had I not turned to show the passengers something we probably would not have hit, but we would have met head on with only 20 or so feet of vertical separation. Yikes. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
I am probably the most paranoid pilot out there. I am constantly scanning for traffic, lifting my wings to look above, and making clearing turns. We have lots of aircraft out on scenic flights in this area so you really have to be on the ball looking 100% of the time. Despite my efforts I never saw the potential head on until it was over and based on the other aircrafts flight path I don’t think they saw me. I also like to make plenty of radio calls as I approach the field and I was a little ticked that this aircraft was operating so close to a fairly busy airport and was not even on the frequency (there is no other significant airport for 30 miles).
BTW had I not turned to show the passengers something we probably would not have hit, but we would have met head on with only 20 or so feet of vertical separation. Yikes. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
FalconCapt
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I have heard the kit planes was out of Torrance, and the other was out of SMO.
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I thought they were BOTH kit planes?!?!?! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/insane.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I have heard the kit planes was out of Torrance, and the other was out of SMO.
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I thought they were BOTH kit planes?!?!?! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/insane.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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I was almost in an east coast version of that yesterday (Monday). I was about six miles south of my airport on a commercial (part 91) scenic flight and I had just made a call that I was setting up for a 45 for left downwind for the active runway. I made a slight right turn to show my passengers something and flash a 172 or 182 ripped by my left side on a reciprocal course within 20 feet of my altitude and within about 100-150’ of my aircraft.
I am probably the most paranoid pilot out there. I am constantly scanning for traffic, lifting my wings to look above, and making clearing turns. We have lots of aircraft out on scenic flights in this area so you really have to be on the ball looking 100% of the time. Despite my efforts I never saw the potential head on until it was over and based on the other aircrafts flight path I don’t think they saw me. I also like to make plenty of radio calls as I approach the field and I was a little ticked that this aircraft was operating so close to a fairly busy airport and was not even on the frequency (there is no other significant airport for 30 miles).
BTW had I not turned to show the passengers something we probably would not have hit, but we would have met head on with only 20 or so feet of vertical separation. Yikes. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
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Occasionally, I'll get my fellow pilots coming back from a mission and complaining about the "Cessna that busted into the MOA". For those guys, I'll have to correct them by re-teaching them that civil aircraft penetrating a MOA is completely legal.....maybe not exceptionally smart....but fully legal, and if everyone is keeping their head on a swivel, it should be reasonably safe too. I'd prefer that civil traffic go under or around MOAs, but here in the west, with the size and dimensions of some MOAs, that isn't always feasible, and I fully understand that. When I'm in the MOA and I see a civil plane, I simply knock-off the maneuvering of my flight, call out the traffic, and immediately altitude-deconflict until the traffic clears or is no longer a factor. Unfortunately we can't talk to them (at least not in this plane, I could in my last plane), or I'd just do the coordination between them and me. But it doesn't bother me. We all co-exist. Same with Alert Areas, same concept.
Now, when I was rolling-in on a target in R-2301E (live with 30mm gun), and I had a Piper PA-46 cross about 1000' under me........then we had a different story that day.
I was almost in an east coast version of that yesterday (Monday). I was about six miles south of my airport on a commercial (part 91) scenic flight and I had just made a call that I was setting up for a 45 for left downwind for the active runway. I made a slight right turn to show my passengers something and flash a 172 or 182 ripped by my left side on a reciprocal course within 20 feet of my altitude and within about 100-150’ of my aircraft.
I am probably the most paranoid pilot out there. I am constantly scanning for traffic, lifting my wings to look above, and making clearing turns. We have lots of aircraft out on scenic flights in this area so you really have to be on the ball looking 100% of the time. Despite my efforts I never saw the potential head on until it was over and based on the other aircrafts flight path I don’t think they saw me. I also like to make plenty of radio calls as I approach the field and I was a little ticked that this aircraft was operating so close to a fairly busy airport and was not even on the frequency (there is no other significant airport for 30 miles).
BTW had I not turned to show the passengers something we probably would not have hit, but we would have met head on with only 20 or so feet of vertical separation. Yikes. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
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Occasionally, I'll get my fellow pilots coming back from a mission and complaining about the "Cessna that busted into the MOA". For those guys, I'll have to correct them by re-teaching them that civil aircraft penetrating a MOA is completely legal.....maybe not exceptionally smart....but fully legal, and if everyone is keeping their head on a swivel, it should be reasonably safe too. I'd prefer that civil traffic go under or around MOAs, but here in the west, with the size and dimensions of some MOAs, that isn't always feasible, and I fully understand that. When I'm in the MOA and I see a civil plane, I simply knock-off the maneuvering of my flight, call out the traffic, and immediately altitude-deconflict until the traffic clears or is no longer a factor. Unfortunately we can't talk to them (at least not in this plane, I could in my last plane), or I'd just do the coordination between them and me. But it doesn't bother me. We all co-exist. Same with Alert Areas, same concept.
Now, when I was rolling-in on a target in R-2301E (live with 30mm gun), and I had a Piper PA-46 cross about 1000' under me........then we had a different story that day.
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Hello,
Is ordnance ever expended in MOA's? I would think not, but I'm no expert.
Thanks,
JR
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Nope. MOAs are maneuvering airspace only....practice dogfighting, formation work, acro, etc. Restricted Areas are where ord gets expended, as well as Warning areas.
Hello,
Is ordnance ever expended in MOA's? I would think not, but I'm no expert.
Thanks,
JR
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Nope. MOAs are maneuvering airspace only....practice dogfighting, formation work, acro, etc. Restricted Areas are where ord gets expended, as well as Warning areas.
MarineNav
New Member
Doh! I forgot about the Warning Areas. Thanks.
Regarding Restriced Areas, I recall refueling some Navy fighters over the Tonapah Range back in the 80's (I was observing from the aft passenger door windows of a KC-130R). We were told not to take any pictures. We didn't see anything unusual. Now with hindsight, I'm thinking that the Have Blue project was finishing up &/or the first operational F-117 sqaudron was in the area.
Thanks again,
JR
Regarding Restriced Areas, I recall refueling some Navy fighters over the Tonapah Range back in the 80's (I was observing from the aft passenger door windows of a KC-130R). We were told not to take any pictures. We didn't see anything unusual. Now with hindsight, I'm thinking that the Have Blue project was finishing up &/or the first operational F-117 sqaudron was in the area.
Thanks again,
JR