SIC Signoff...With A Twist

[MSU Pilot]

Before I offend anyone who thinks "Oh great, another sign off question by a 23o hour pilot", I promise you that this is not the case.

I completed training in a CE-650 aircraft for an SIC Type Rating in September 2010. In the logbook is the correct logged time, sign off for the landings, etc., and also an endorsement in the back for the required ground training with instructor recommendation and signature. Basically, I had the entire training done short of filling out an 8710 and walking into the FSDO for a temporary certificate. I never completed it since the airplane got sold very shortly after completing and there was no need.

Fast forward 15 months. I am now in a situation where the CE-650 SIC would be of huge significance. I was asked if I had the SIC type rating to which I would like to say "yes". (Just run down to the FSDO with the completed 8710 and get the temporary). Here is the question- Will the FAA still endorse the training since it was over 12 months ago, or is the 12 month stipulation a flying requirement. I will receive further flight training, I just need to know if the feds will say "come back when you have currency" or if they will issue the certificate.

 

[Corporate Pilot]

The bigger question may be can you get this done.

(5) The person who provided the ground and flight training to the applicant must sign the “Instructor's Recommendation” section of the Airman Certificate and/or Rating Application, FAA Form 8710–1. In lieu of the trainer, it is permissible for a qualified management official within the organization to sign the applicant's FAA Form 8710–1.

 

[MSU Pilot]

Yes, that is no problem.

 

[dustoff17]

Then there's really no question here.
If you can get the 8710 signed off, then most likely the FSDO will accept it. Can't hurt you to walk the papers in...the worse they can do is tell you "No".

 

[CK]

My understanding is the checkout has to be in the previous twelve months. But, I have never heard of an inspector actually looking at the log book. Most just take the 8710 and hand over the new cert.

Alex.

 

[efly]

The bigger question is why wouldn't you have done this right after you got the endorsement?

 

[MSU Pilot]

Thanks for the help gentleman.

The bigger question is why wouldn't you have done this right after you got the endorsement?

There are always extenuating circumstances..

 

[BobDDuck]

My understanding is the checkout has to be in the previous twelve months. But, I have never heard of an inspector actually looking at the log book. Most just take the 8710 and hand over the new cert.

Alex.

I'm trying to remember as I haven't actually looked at an 8710 in a long time, but isn't there a box that says "date training completed"?

I may be completely making that up though.

Good luck with it. As useless as an SIC type is in general, if it will open doors for you, it's a very useful thing.

 

[GUNIT]

Typically, you'll walk in, and the FSDO will probably not have any idea an SIC type rating exists, and, if in the off circumstance they do, will probably be pretty unfamiliar with the issuance process and thus, I believe you're golden. You should probably be able to get the SIC type, but you will not be current in the aircraft. Kind of a bizarre situation, so I'm just taking a stab on it.

 

[dustoff17]

Typically, you'll walk in, and the FSDO will probably not have any idea an SIC type rating exists, and, if in the off circumstance they do, will probably be pretty unfamiliar with the issuance process and thus, I believe you're golden. You should probably be able to get the SIC type, but you will not be current in the aircraft. Kind of a bizarre situation, so I'm just taking a stab on it.

This is right on track!!

Our FSDO refused to issue a SIC for our pilot despite the documented training, a log book, and a properly completed 8710. His reasoning? "A C525 (CJ Series) is a single pilot airplane so there's no need for a Second in Command". What a TARD!!

So we drove the 3 hours to Orlando and got it added...took about 5 minutes in the FSDO.

 

[RRPower]

This is right on track!!

Our FSDO refused to issue a SIC for our pilot despite the documented training, a log book, and a properly completed 8710. His reasoning? "A C525 (CJ Series) is a single pilot airplane so there's no need for a Second in Command". What a TARD!!

So we drove the 3 hours to Orlando and got it added...took about 5 minutes in the FSDO.

Well most of these planes including the b300/350 are SP airplanes buuuuttttt you have to have an SP checkride or guess what...they aren't. He is a tard.