Should I do inst. first or multi?

badtransam97

badtransam97

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Hey guys, I'm not sure this is in the right place but.. Here's my situation, I got my ppl in Nov '07 and am thinking about starting my inst. here at the FBO. The only problem is there is no twin here or within 150 miles of here to do the multi training out of. I would like to go to a place like ATP or similar in the near future just to get everything at once, but the money is gonna be a problem. So what I am wondering is should I go ahead and do my inst. single engine and then try to go to an accelerated school for the rest of my ratings, or just bite the bullet and go ahead and do it all at one of these places? Like I said I'm flying out of a small town and no multi available within a reasonable distance and they have no plans of ever getting one to rent either! I have been told that the inst. single would not be good for a multi and vice-versa, I have also been told that once you have the inst. ticket it is good for both types of planes once you have the multi ticket? I dont know if I am just wasting time and money that I could be saving for a school and will have to take two inst. checkrides or if I should stay and do the inst. here and then move on to a school. Your help is greatly appreciated!
 
I would strongly advocate doing your instrument before your mutli. Instrument training is tough enough as it is, and you don't want the added complexity of a multi to make things tougher, let alone be trying to master both at the same time.

As to the instrument being good for both, the answer is NO. If you are already instrument rated in the single, you will have to prove instrument competency on your multi ride, which is typically a simple addition to your multi ride. If you are not instrument rated when you get your multi, when you do get your instrument, you will have to prove competency in both single and multi engine aircraft, which will probably be two separate checkrides.

The other thing to consider, is doing your instrument at a Part 141 school, as I'm guessing you don't have the required 50 hours of cross country experience to start your instrument Part 61.
 
mojo6911 said:
You don't need the 50 hours of PIC XC to start instrument training.
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Right, though you do need the 50 cross country PIC to take the checkride if training under Part 61. It helps to have at least some of those hours our of the way before commencing your instrument training.

Michael
 
thanks for the info guys, i can see now that this inst. is gonna be a handfull! i already had some time left on the plane and decided to take a couple of lessons and see how it was...i can tell its gonna take ALOT of practice.
 
as you've seen - instr is a challenge. i would advise going through your instr first. if you are looking toward something airlines, wait until about the very last minute to do the multi.

if you think about it - learn everything and do instr, then commercial in your single first. get about to the number of hours you need, and then do all the multi last. it will be freshest in your head then. that might give you an edge if you have to do a sim. even for safety, it will give you an advantage when you do jet transition.

just my $.02

but i wish you all the luck!! and enjoy :D


badtransam97 said:
thanks for the info guys, i can see now that this inst. is gonna be a handfull! i already had some time left on the plane and decided to take a couple of lessons and see how it was...i can tell its gonna take ALOT of practice.
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Do NOT do your multi right now. Normally the only people that get a private pilot MUlti-rating are old rich dudes that have no desire to be commercial pilots.

If you become a private pilot with a multi add-on, then when you become a commercial pilot, you will have to go out and get another multi-add on (a commercial one).

Do your instrument at home. As far as i am concerned about ATP (which I have some experience with), stay at home and do you single engine commercial after that. Then do what you need to do to get in a twin.

good luck
 
Douglas said:
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Do NOT do your multi right now. Normally the only people that get a private pilot MUlti-rating are old rich dudes that have no desire to be commercial pilots.

If you become a private pilot with a multi add-on, then when you become a commercial pilot, you will have to go out and get another multi-add on (a commercial one).
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The Private multi can allow someone to build ME time while building the 250 hours for the commercial, which can save a lot of time in the long run.
 
Douglas said:
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Do NOT do your multi right now. Normally the only people that get a private pilot MUlti-rating are old rich dudes that have no desire to be commercial pilots.

If you become a private pilot with a multi add-on, then when you become a commercial pilot, you will have to go out and get another multi-add on (a commercial one).

Do your instrument at home. As far as i am concerned about ATP (which I have some experience with), stay at home and do you single engine commercial after that. Then do what you need to do to get in a twin.

good luck
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I disagree slightly. My recommendation:

1) Get the instrument in a single. The slower speeds will allow you to better learn and grasp the material.
2) From there, get your Private MEL. You need to get to 250, right? Well now instead of building a ton of single engine time and THEN having to build multi time later, you kill two birds with one stone. All of your multi time (except the original dual time to get the rating) is PIC. Even when you go for your CMEL, all of that time is PIC.
3) Get your initial CMEL and then do the SEL add-on. No need for a complex aircraft on the CSEL checkride.

Michael
 
Do your instrument rating first.

As for the 50 hours of PIC XC, use that time to fly into different airports(preferably towered) and use flight following. This will help you to get used to talking on the radio and the ATC system.
 
MichaelCPS said:
I disagree slightly. My recommendation:

1) Get the instrument in a single. The slower speeds will allow you to better learn and grasp the material.
2) From there, get your Private MEL. You need to get to 250, right? Well now instead of building a ton of single engine time and THEN having to build multi time later, you kill two birds with one stone. All of your multi time (except the original dual time to get the rating) is PIC. Even when you go for your CMEL, all of that time is PIC.
3) Get your initial CMEL and then do the SEL add-on. No need for a complex aircraft on the CSEL checkride.

Michael
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This definitely isn't the cheaper route.
 
MichaelCPS said:
I disagree slightly. My recommendation:

1) Get the instrument in a single. The slower speeds will allow you to better learn and grasp the material.
2) From there, get your Private MEL. You need to get to 250, right? Well now instead of building a ton of single engine time and THEN having to build multi time later, you kill two birds with one stone. All of your multi time (except the original dual time to get the rating) is PIC. Even when you go for your CMEL, all of that time is PIC.
3) Get your initial CMEL and then do the SEL add-on. No need for a complex aircraft on the CSEL checkride.

Michael
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This is a great idea if you are looking to get a bunch of multi time as part of your training. It does add one checkride (PMEL) that you could skip if you did all your training ASEL and added a CMEL. The later route would give you about 10-15 hrs MEL with about 1.2 PIC (just the checkride). Michael could probably give you an idea of how much multi time you'd end up with if you followed his outline. There are a varitey of ways you can get all your tickets, you just need to decide what you goal is at the end of the journey and what you're willing to pay for it (in terms of both time and money).
 
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