Shiny Jet Syndrome

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This "article" is kind of long...but is funny and true.


SHINY-JET SYNDROME: THE CAREER KILLER
"Every year hundreds of young pilots from around the world are afflicted with a paralyzing disease: Shiny-jetsyndrome. SJS."

- Sally Struthers, national spokesperson.

(Television Infomercial #17 Transcript)

[Enter Sally Struthers in front of a black
backdrop]

Sally: "Every year hundreds of young pilots from around the world are afflicted with a paralyzing disease. Shiny-jet-syndrome. SJS."

[Fade to daylight. Sanford Airport, Comair academy, a 22 year old CFI climbing into a Seminole with his student.]

Sally: "Thats right. Today 9 in every 10 young pilots is a victim of SJS. Take Jimmy here. Jimmy is a smart, young man. He was raised in an upper, middle-class suburb. Jimmy's dad was a Delta pilot. Jimmy has been a flight instructor here at Comair academy for 3 weeks now. See how happy
he is? See how much pride Jimmy takes in his job?"

[Jimmy hears a jet engine overhead, looks up at the contrail of a jetliner passing overhead, fade to black.]

[Fade to daylight. Sanford Airport, Comair academy, summer, the 22 year old CFI climbing into a Seminole with his student.]

Sally: "It's now been six weeks since Jimmy started his new job. He has almost 60hours of instructing under his belt. The symptoms of SJS have already begun to manifest themselves. Jimmy is a victim. He constantly complains about his lack of career progression. With a little over 500
hours total time and zero actual instrument, Jimmy had expected to be flying a regional jet by now."

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Victims: These pilots earn less today than a New York City bus driver. Sadly, they were distracted by the colored lights and buttons.
S.J.S. September 2006 - B6 Edition

Question #2:

Do you know a pilot who believes that AirTran or JetBlue are the "majors"
they've wanted to work for for "their whole lives"?

“Wow, my airplane has TV’s!!” - Jimmy*

*name changed to protect the guilty.

[Zoom to Jimmy in the cockpit, sweat pouring from his face, his features twisted. angry, arrogant, frustrated (i/e Anakin before becoming Darth Vader) Fade to black.]

Sally: "A year later, SJS has fully taken him over. Jimmy is a regional jet co-pilot now. Let's watch..."

[Fade in on Jimmy walking through the terminal. He is wearing a uniform of sorts. He is carrying his hat, listening to his IPod, with his backpack tossed over his shoulder. His hair is frosted at the tips and he chews
gum as he strolls through the terminal. He see's "RJ" - the Comair mascot up ahead, and thinks of how cool it is to fly for an airline
with a big, fuzzy, talking, RJ for a mascot.]

Sally: "Jimmy looks happy now, he's an airline pilot. With less than one-thousand hours total time though, Jimmy is a burden to the Captains he flies with. His ego is enormous. He feels as though he is a modern day Ernest Gann or SkyKing but without the autopilot and flight director he is
borderline dangerous. He is lazy, apathetic, and still angry. He had expected to be working for a major airline right now."

[Camera pans to Jimmy peering outside the terminal at a Boeing 757...and then, an EMB-190 taxies out from behind it. A crooked smile forms on Jimmy's lips. Fade to black.]

[Fade to daylight. The cockpit of an EMB-190. The year is 2008 and Jimmy is a new Captain.]

Sally: "SJS has finally claimed its victim.

Jimmy -- for the time being -- is happy. His airline flies an armada of narrow-body, Embraer jets that carry as many as 100 passengers.
Jimmy gets paid less today than a city bus driver. He earns less than an Amtrak conductor. On average he is earning more than $50/hr LESS than the majorairline pilots his company competes with. His copilot, Sean, has been a major airline pilot for about one month. He is elated to be flying a big jet for $28,000/yr. As long as his parents continue to send those allowance
checks, this could be the best job ever!"

[Camera zooms on Captain Jimmy as he sees a company A320 pass by...Jimmy's vision blurs... he looks again and visualizes himself in the cockpit of his airline’s bigger aircraft.]

Jimmy: “Wow. Someday I will even get to fly transcons in our widebody.”

[Cut again to that crooked smile.]

Sally: "Except he probably never will. His discount airline has orders and options for a couple hundred A320’s, but with Jimmy’s seniority and the young age of the pilot group, his upgrade is far, far, away. If ever. No, Jimmy is in a dead-end job."


[Camera fades to Jimmy's Comair Academy enrollment photo. He's shaking hands with mascot "RJ." Fade to Jimmy today.]

Interior view of shiny-jet
(not shown: Blue Glovestm)

Sally: “Jimmy just got off the phone with a former EMB-190 new-hire classmate of his. His buddy quit a few years ago to work for Southwest or FedEx. His buddy now makes much more as a copilot than Jimmy earns as a Captain and with better benefits, work rules, schedule, and culture. Jimmy
wonders where he went wrong....”

[Camera fades in on Sally.]

Sally: "Do YOU know someone who is a victim of SJS? Watch for these warning signs!”

* Do you know a pilot who has calculated what his company stock options
could be worth in ten years if the stock price triples each year?

* Do you know a pilot who actually believes that AirTran or JetBlue are the
majors" they've wanted to work for for "their whole lives"? Or for that matter,
that Independence Air was ever a good idea or a real airline?

* Do you know a pilot who says, “I don’t really need real long-term disability
because my health is fine. Besides, we have JCCF. They’ll take care of my
family, right? Right?"

* Do you know a pilot who has said, "I know everybody thinks my pay is low,
but I’d much rather work here than at a legacy because we have a great culture. Can you hand me those gloves?”

* Do you know a pilot who folds into the fetal position and mumbles, “happy
place, happy place,” twice a month when his pay check is deposited?"

* Do you know any pilot who lies about the airline they work for, or the
aircraft they fly, while using their profession to attempt to pick up women in
a bar?

* Do you know a pilot who says, "I know they only match 3% in my 401K,
but thats OK because I’ll probably get social security and they can’t take that
away can they?”

Sally: "If the answer to any of those questions was "yes" your friend might have SJS. Watch for these warning signs. SJS is a violent and dangerous disease. It is important to stop it in its tracks. Together we can reach that goal. Here at the Jets R' Neat Institute we are researching cures for SJS. We've done a lot, but you can help. For just $366 per day
you can sponsor a pilot. For less than the cost of a good-quality, 102” plasma high definition television you can sponsor an aspiring airline pilot and
show them what life would be like if they actually made the money that major airline pilots used to make. This is the first step in ending SJS." Jimmy, and others just like him, needs your help. Please send your check, made out to “Bearer,” for $11,346.00 every month to:

The Jets R' Neat Institute c/o Occupant
Trailer #12
Happy Valley Trailer Park
Coraopolis, PA 15108
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* Do you know a pilot who actually believes that AirTran or JetBlue are the
majors" they've wanted to work for for "their whole lives"?


I'm sorry, but after 9/11, everything changed.

Yeah, I happily consider Airtran or Jetblue to be the majors, and where I've wanted to work for my whole life (since I was 18 at least). There's no SJS involved in this statement.


What's wrong with those two?


Please.


Their payrates and QOL are comparable to the legacy carriers, if not even better.

Their pay rates (for the 717/737/A319 category) are better than US Airways, United Airlines and rival those of Delta Air Lines.
 
I'm sorry, but after 9/11, everything changed.

Yeah, I happily consider Airtran or Jetblue to be the majors, and where I've wanted to work for my whole life (since I was 18 at least). There's no SJS involved in this statement.


What's wrong with those two?


Please.


Their payrates and QOL are comparable to the legacy carriers, if not even better.

Their pay rates (for the 717/737/A319 category) are better than US Airways, United Airlines and rival those of Delta Air Lines.

The doctor will see you now...

:D
 
Gotta go with Cherokee, at least on AirTran. I personally wouldn't want to go to jetBlue just to start on another RJ with not much better wages, but that's just me. If they're gonna lump AirTran and jetBlue into non-majors, then they might as well toss SWA and Frontier in there, too.

Then again, it's just a silly article. :)
 
Southwest was jetblue 10-15 years ago. Lately they've enjoyed some fantastic pay raises. Although the 737 probably wasn't referred to as an RJ.

2004 DAL Payrates (737 only)
0 CA____FO
1 $212__$56
2 $214__$114
3 $215__$134

2004 SWA Payrates (737)
0 CA____FO
1 $158__$47
2 $159__$80
3 $161__$89

Just because a carrier is paying low wages NOW won't mean they will pay low wages in the future. Also, just because a carrier is paying high wages now doesn't mean they won't pay lower wages in the future.

I don't have access to the DAL vs. SWA payrates in the 90's but it would be interesting too compare, now that they are the highest paying pax carrier out there.
 
I'm sorry, but after 9/11, everything changed.

Yeah, I happily consider Airtran or Jetblue to be the majors, and where I've wanted to work for my whole life (since I was 18 at least). There's no SJS involved in this statement.


What's wrong with those two?


Please.


Their payrates and QOL are comparable to the legacy carriers, if not even better.

Their pay rates (for the 717/737/A319 category) are better than US Airways, United Airlines and rival those of Delta Air Lines.


I don't think you are looking back far enough to accept the animosity. It's the working conditions that pilots accepted at those airlines that knocked the wind out of the better compensated airlines, or for professional piloting in general. Alot of pilots could not get hired by the better compensated airlines for one reason or another...so to get a job...they'd work for less. That's just how it goes....bitter, bitter, bitter animosity for those who've lost millions of dollars in compensation and retirement benefits to those who've gone to work for "substandard" benefits...and is reflected in the aforementioned piece of literature.
 
Gotta go with Cherokee, at least on AirTran. I personally wouldn't want to go to jetBlue just to start on another RJ with not much better wages, but that's just me. If they're gonna lump AirTran and jetBlue into non-majors, then they might as well toss SWA and Frontier in there, too.

Then again, it's just a silly article. :)

Thanks, Ste... er, Kellwolf :).

You're right, I forgot about Jetblue's E190s. I was only considering their A320 pay for my comparison above.

But yeah, I think you see my point. While that article brings up good points, I differ on the portion about Airtran and Jetblue.
 
It's the working conditions that pilots accepted at those airlines that knocked the wind out of the better compensated airlines, or for professional piloting in general.

DAL, UAL, etc. were operating and making huge profits prior to 9/11 while "bottom feeders" were operating with greatly reduced wages. I think there might have been more then one factor at work here.
 
Unquestionably...lots of factors involved. I supposed the point I was trying to make...and didn't do it well...is that there is an attitude that prevails. Ultimately...the compensation will dwindle to the lowest common denominator...which is why I'm all for high pay at the commuters. Otherwise...in another ten years I'll be working for those wages.

BTW, what kind of pilot (at Jetblue) volunteers for a 12 hour coast to coast and back flying experiment? Somebody needs a union.
 
BTW, what kind of pilot (at Jetblue) volunteers for a 12 hour coast to coast and back flying experiment? Somebody needs a union.

More or less took decades of fighting for better work rest rules and incremental battles to fight fatigue and try to gut it in one fail swoop.

Someone that thinks we ought to 'suck it up and work more' needs to take a trip to ntsb.gov and take a look-see how many accidents are attributed to pilot error/fatigue.

And for bonus points, an interesting NASA article on fatigue/rest: http://www.icao.int/fsix/_Library/Duty times fatigue.pdf
 
Wanting to fly professionaly does not mean SJS, all the majors now fly "shiny jets" and alsthough pay is lower than it should be, it will pick up eventually as it did in the 90s.
Remember UA and DL pilots got pay raises right before 9/11 so don't be all hopeless and depressing like real estate it is a cycle that will pick up again.
 
Wanting to fly professionaly does not mean SJS, all the majors now fly "shiny jets" and alsthough pay is lower than it should be, it will pick up eventually as it did in the 90s.
Remember UA and DL pilots got pay raises right before 9/11 so don't be all hopeless and depressing like real estate it is a cycle that will pick up again.

Sounds like you adhere to "just get the jets on property NOW, at any cost worry about payrates later..."
 
I remember reading a post by BobDDuck about how, for the most part, SJS exists only in the forum world. I have to agree. Most guys on the line worry about serious issues such as family, time off, location, compensation, and career movement rather than how awesome it is to fly super l337 jets.
 
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