Screwed at the drive through - Army ADSC

In the bottom of a mountain of paper… smallest font possible…


“The Army reserves the right to change its mind or dictate alternate views of terms in the document here in so long as it gets its way…”


We are facing a critical mid career manpower shortage. Right now the Aviation force is so short of majors that there are literally no broadening assignments for them against their peers, they just play musical billets for 4 years in an Aviation Brigade. It’s funny… this exact thing has been going on in the Warrant community for a decade and it was largely regarded as not a major concern.

I asked the resources command branch manager how can I get a job at Doctrine and Training development and was basically told since I could still fly, “walk out into traffic so you’re too broken to stay in the CAB.”


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"We can't recruit qualified pilots due to a lack of integrity. Wat do?"
"I know, let's screw with the contracts so we have even LESS integrity!"
"We are smart, make us go!"
 
derg said:
Also "And why aren't people going into the military?!"
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MikeD said:
USAF tried doing this crap to some pilots who were in exchange training command billets.

@Lawman

www.armytimes.com

Army’s about-face on contracts extends aviation officers’ service

Pilots claim the Army misinformed them for years about their obligations.
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No intent to start a war here. There are two key issues here. 1. Service. 2. Contracts.

I kinda reckon that when one signs up for "service" that is precisely what one should be signing up for. In a nation without compulsory service, anyone who voluntarily signs up for sweet training and benes should expect additional service. Especially in our current zeitgeist. As for contracts, hell, the whole civvy world works in accordance with contracts they've never actually read. Lots of people are still paying for AOL services they haven't touched in 30 years. Why should the military be any different?

I definitively recognize that opinions will differ around here, but yeah, those itty bitty words and clauses to which folks append their signatures while failing to read or understand? Yeah, those matter. Read your words, people!

Our entire economic system is based on screws at the drive-thru. Don't eat junk food. And, at least check your bag before you drive away.
 
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form810 said:
No intent to start a war here. There are two key issues here. 1. Service. 2. Contracts.

I kinda reckon that when one signs up for "service" that is precisely what one should be signing up for. In a nation without compulsory service, anyone who voluntarily signs up for sweet training and benes should expect additional service. Especially in our current zeitgeist. As for contracts, hell, the whole civvy world works in accordance with contracts they've never actually read. Lots of people are still paying for AOL services they haven't touched in 30 years. Why should the military be any different?

I definitively recognize that opinions will differ around here, but yeah, those itty bitty words and clauses to which folks append their signatures while failing to read or understand? Yeah, those matter. Read your words, people!

Our entire economic system is based on screws at the drive-thru. Don't eat junk food. And, at least check your bag before you drive away.
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The point is the Army has reinterpreted its own definition as to the legal standards of the contract.

It misrepresented that standard up until right now and developed an understanding of expectation and now seeks to just go “oh wait never-mind we were doing it wrong the whole time.” That’s not as black and white as your bank financing your car for 72 months and deciding instead to demand 84 payments for the rendered finances. This is somebody hiring you for an expected contract and then changing how they chose to interpret that with no renegotiation on terms or recourse left to you because you can’t simply strike, it’s literally a crime for you to do so.


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Lawman said:
The point is the Army has reinterpreted its own definition as to the legal standards of the contract.

It misrepresented that standard up until right now and developed an understanding of expectation and now seeks to just go “oh wait never-mind we were doing it wrong the whole time.” That’s not as black and white as your bank financing your car for 72 months and deciding instead to demand 84 payments for the rendered finances. This is somebody hiring you for an expected contract and then changing how they chose to interpret that with no renegotiation on terms or recourse left to you because you can’t simply strike, it’s literally a crime for you to do so.


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I was kinda referencing your quoted material.

To wit: "“The Army reserves the right to change its mind or dictate alternate views of terms in the document here in so long as it gets its way…”

Or, was that quote just something from FaceTweet? (if so, at least cite FaceTweet)
 
form810 said:
I was kinda referencing your quoted material.

To wit: "“The Army reserves the right to change its mind or dictate alternate views of terms in the document here in so long as it gets its way…”

Or, was that quote just something from FaceTweet? (if so, at least cite FaceTweet)
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It’s not by any means the first time they’ve done this. The old “get it in writing” adage…

But just choosing to change an active duty service obligation (ADSO) from concurrent to consecutive and then have it apply to all contracts signed before said reinterpretation, that’s bold even for the Army.

Usually they save that for after you leave and just screw you over by changing the terms of your veteran benefits.


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Lawman said:
It’s not by any means the first time they’ve done this. The old “get it in writing” adage…

But just choosing to change an active duty service obligation (ADSO) from concurrent to consecutive and then have it apply to all contracts signed before said reinterpretation, that’s bold even for the Army.

Usually they save that for after you leave and just screw you over by changing the terms of your veteran benefits.


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Good luck.
 
form810 said:
Good luck.
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At this point I’m almost to the finish line so there is little the Army can really do to make that better or worse…

What worries me is the generation that is supposed to pick up this ball and continue to run plays after I leave. Somehow the strategy to making up the team roster involves more creative games of gotchas and new longer service requirements, not fixing the general issues of strained op tempo and lack of resources to reward service.


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Wardogg said:
Everyone that was stop lossed in 2001-2004

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Somewhere somebody is writing a study on just how many marriages were put in the grave with the surge and the follow-on 15 month deployment. Likewise the guys that “survived” that are now the ones in charge. A lot of that generational child beating syndrome of how to be a leader now that they are at the top of the food chain. “Pay pilots bonus money! They should do this for service!”… says the guy that got the 35k bonus every year tax free while deployed because of the unit he was in.

I can remember seeing a guard unit get extended and we were collocated with them. Dudes literally stopped coming to work, stopped wearing uniforms, like they were borderline mutinous and the only reason it was ok was they were smart enough to keep it in their footprint and we (active duty) were smart enough to turn a blind eye.


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• finance. By the end of my 6 years I knew their regulations better than they did from having to show them their errors so many damned times.
 
Soku39 said:
My favorite part is that every units finance has their own little rules outside the JTR that you have to learn to get your vouchers across the line.
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We need an attached TDY request form in PDF to approve your TDY Authorization….

Literally what filling out an authorization is… while you’re at it here is a current PT card because probably some jack ass at division…


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NovemberEcho said:
• finance. By the end of my 6 years I knew their regulations better than they did from having to show them their errors so many damned times.
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Not gonna lie, that sounds like a p sweet gig if you don’t need a feeling of satisfaction out of a job.

Maybe except for the whole, “lol you’re still in,” thing.

I’m glad I did not discover this work ethic until later life, after I had formed my habits.
 
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