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flyinwithjesus

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I have a question for all of you working in the regionals/majors. I have the time and experience to get a job with a regional but I am torn on where to go. The most important thing to me is to be able to be home with my family as much as possible. Ultimately I would like to be home every night but as someone else pointed out already that is more of a "pipe dream." Anyhow, would one company be better than another when it comes to schedules and time off? What do your typical trips look like? Any suggestions?
 
No matter where you are working, regional or major, to maximize time at home with your family, be prepared to move to your domicile. Many, many pilots commute and it works for them, but their time spent waiting for that flight to and from work is time away from family.

For me it was a matter of where I wanted to live as to which airlines to target. When I first started applying, I started with the companies that had pilot bases where I would be comfortable living: Skywest with its Portland base, now defunct ACA in Washington DC, and Eagle with it LAX base. I didn't consider anywhere else. Same for major airlines. My goal was to be in Alaska flying for Alaska Airlines because that's where I wanted to live. It may have taken a bit longer (my contemporaries were all bugging out to the likes of Southwest, jetblue, AirTran, Continental), but it paid off and here we are. We (my wife and I- it's a joint venture!) didn't want to live anywhere else.

Schedules vary from airline to airline, and even by domicile within the same domicile. I was very pleased with the way Skywest built their schedules. For the first three years, I can count on one hand the number of 4-day trips I went on. Once I upgraded to the bottom of a long captain list in the almighty CRJ expansion, I was away from home a little more. Chasing seniority we moved two times with Skywest. By the end there I was flying mostly two-day trips and locals (one day trip, turn, out-and-back) with an average of 14 days off (without my days doing pilot interviews, it would have been more like 16). Now I'm here at Alaska and the schedules here in Anchorage are very similar to what I had at Skywest. Granted, I've only been here a few months, but I have yet to fly anything longer than a 2-day trip. I've been averaging about 15 days off.

A typical two-day AM trip will start early on day one and get done mid-afternoon day two. And similarly a PM trip will start mid-afternoon day one and finish late the next night.

It takes a very understanding person to be the spouse of an airline pilot. Our schedules are never consistent and traditional holidays are, many times, non-existent. Flexibility is the key. A traditional 9-5 job with family dinner every night, soccer games on Saturday and church on Sunday just won't happen in the airline business.

I love my job and my schedule. I'm sitting here on my 5th day off in a row watching my son toss his toy airplane around the living room when most 9-5'ers are staring at their office walls. Granted, I can only go to church with my family two times this month, but that will change as time goes on and I move up the seniority list. The bad parts of this are all worth it when I'm gliding around the arctic at 30,000 feet!
 
Ditto the living in base. I hear horror stories from the commuters here about getting a 14 day off line, but burning 4 days commuting to and from work. For me, I can get a 10 day off line, and I'm still sleeping in my own bed half the month, the 10 days off, plus the nights I end in base. I had one trip last week that was over at 8:10 AM. That's just about an extra day off. I got to go home and see my wife, but my CA had a two leg commute. He MIGHT have gotten home around 6-7PM if he made the flights.
 
Live in base, "bid senior" and don't jump around aircraft a lot.

I hear the occasional (predictable) story about the wife wanting to live in SmallTownUSA ("It's quaint! And all my fraynz live here!") and her husband works in MassiveAirlineHubopolis and how she's upset that she doesn't see her husband that often.

I've always commuted and it's probably come at the cost of at least $150,000 or so over the past ten years for staying on a small, junior aircraft and bidding to match my flight connections and flying zero premium flying.

That's without accounting for hotel costs, meals and fly-in-the-night-before-late-show-tomorrow bar tabs.

And if I'm lucky, I might be home for five or six days next month. Total! :) Because of a crazy ground/simulator schedule.
 
Thanks for all of the replies... it really helps a lot! I still have no idea what I am going to do from here but I think I'm slowly starting to figure it out. I'll probably have a few more questions in a day or so but it gives me something to think about for now.
 
This job really has potential to be absolutely miserable and destroy you or could be very enjoyable.

Yeah.. what Doug said.. work on those 16-20 days off and stay there!

Plus remember the golden rule - don't buy a new house/new car/boat (anything you need to finance) right away once you get a pay raise! Too many people become poor again once they get bigger income.

Invest and let it warm your heart a little :)
 
AND... >>I speak from experience<<

SAVE 6-12 months worth of living expense while you can! Blindly I went through my entire regional career blowing thousands of dollars (not all of it nedlessly, but did we really need that brand new house to spend beaucoup dollars on shades, furniture, landscaping?). Now I'm here at first year pay tapping into my 401K to pay mortgage on an empty house in Colorado, chip away at a $10,000 moving bill, AND feed my family of five.

I don't regret the move, just wish I'd prepped a little beforehand.
 
AND... >>I speak from experience<<

SAVE 6-12 months worth of living expense while you can! ... Now I'm here at first year pay tapping into my 401K to pay mortgage on an empty house ... chip away at a $10,000 moving bill, AND feed my family of five.

OUCH! ... but seriously, 6-12 months living expenses is a God send when the time comes that you need it. My life COMPLETELY turned around when I had unpredictables come up, and my bank was broke! Twas nothing aviation related, but the song remains the same.
 
$10000! ouch, man what did you move?

A family. I have spent more moving, thank goodness I have always had help (via a company). My next move I won't be so lucky. You know its bad when the Semi Trailer ISNT big enough. Don't even go into the cost of moving a small car collection.

Have you thought about renting your house in CO out?? I did for a home I have and it is now making us money (took about 3 years to get on the positive side). We pay a local management company to handle it.
 
We really didn't have that much. Filled 18' of an ABF Trailer. It's the mileage! 3200 miles from Colorado Springs to Anchorage! Then there was the cost of shipping our minivan up (didn't have the time or desire to drive the Alcan in December).

This industry is whacked out! House yourself during training, move yourself to base, no signing bonus, no Salary Based on Experience. Bottom of the seniority list for you, zero vacation, and what's more, we'll pay you 60% less than your last job!

Gotta think looooong term!
 
I've been working at a "regional" for a year and have not yet had a single night away from home. But they make up for that by not paying us squat. ;)

Cheechako, congratulations! I want to live in Fairbanks (been here a year so far) so I'm going to be commuting no matter where I go to after this... it's just a matter of how far my commute is going to be. At least I'm single, so I could commute to Atlanta if I had to. ;)
 
Do they not give you any vacation starting at a regional or major??? Did I miss this??????

First year here, it depends on how many months of service you have in by the end of the the year. After that, you're looking at about a week for a while, then up to two weeks by around year 3 or 4 (too lazy to look right now). The super-senior-never-gonna-leave people get 3 weeks.
 
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