Requirements to Co-Pilot a Falcon 900

chibrian79

chibrian79

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I know I should be able to find this in the forums but I'm having a little difficulty finding it. What are the requirements to co-pilot and log time in a Falcon 900?

Thanks.

Brian
 
Very very basically- If it's Part 91 a multiengine rating with instrument rating. Then to be a qualified copilot you have to do 3 takeoffs and landings to a full-stop (you actually hand-fly the takeoffs and landings, not the other pilot) with a pilot who is type-rated in the 900. Then you are qualified to act as a second-in-command, log as such, and carry passengers. You also have to have a high-altitude endorsement to act as SIC above FL250 in the 900. The best person to ask about this would be a Falcon 900 instructor at FlightSafety. I've run across chief pilots in the real world that didn't know how to check out a new copilot.
 
falconvalley said:
Very very basic- If it's Part 91 a multiengine rating with instrument rating. Then to be a qualified copilot you have to do 3 takeoffs and landings to a full-stop with a pilot who is type-rated in the 900. Then you are qualified to act as a second-in-command, log as such, and carry passengers.
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There is a little more to it than 3 landings.
 
Thanks!

I appreciate the quick responses. A friend of a friend OWNS (yeah, I should forget this damn flying thing and do what HE does) a Falcon 900 (interesting, right?) and he told me if I want to fly with his pilot once I get all my ratings finished up to get a few hours of jet time, I'm more than welcome. It was sort of a shocking offer so I'm going to get my butt in gear at the FBO and take him up on it before he forgets! :nana2:

Brian
 
falconvalley said:
You also have to have a high-altitude endorsement to act as SIC above FL250 in the 900.
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Are you sure?

61.31:

(g) Additional training required for operating pressurized aircraft capable of operating at high altitudes. (1) Except as provided in paragraph (g)(3) of this section, no person may act as pilot in command of a pressurized aircraft
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I never, to my knowledge, received a high altitude endorsement while going through ground school at a regional :confused:? Is it type specific (ie some a/c you need the endorsement as an SIC)? I knew a guy who did what you mentioned (3 t/o's and ldg's) but no high altitude endorsement and flew a citation a few times.

Chibrian79, here is the entire 61.55 reg for you to peruse. This lists exactly what needs to be done (I think atleast).

Sec. 61.55 - Second-in-command qualifications.

(a) Except as provided in paragraph (d) of this section, no person may serve as a second in command of an aircraft type certificated for more than one required pilot flight crewmember or in operations requiring a second in command unless that person holds:

(1) At least a current private pilot certificate with the appropriate category and class rating; and

(2) An instrument rating that applies to the aircraft being flown if the flight is under IFR.

(b) Except as provided in paragraph (d) of this section, no person may serve as a second in command of an aircraft type certificated for more than one required pilot flight crewmember or in operations requiring a second in command unless that person has within the previous 12 calendar months:

(1) Become familiar with the following information for the specific type aircraft for which second-in-command privileges are requested --

(i) Operational procedures applicable to the powerplant, equipment, and systems.

(ii) Performance specifications and limitations.

(iii) Normal, abnormal, and emergency operating procedures.

(iv) Flight manual.

(v) Placards and markings.

(2) Except as provided in paragraph (e) of this section, performed and logged pilot time in the type of aircraft or in a flight simulator that represents the type of aircraft for which second-in-command privileges are requested, which includes --

(i) Three takeoffs and three landings to a full stop as the sole manipulator of the flight controls;

(ii) Engine-out procedures and maneuvering with an engine out while executing the duties of pilot in command; and

(iii) Crew resource management training.

(c) If a person complies with the requirements in paragraph (b) of this section in the calendar month before or the calendar month after the month in which compliance with this section is required, then that person is considered to have accomplished the training and practice in the month it is due.

(d) This section does not apply to a person who is:

(1) Designated and qualified as a pilot in command under part 121, 125, or 135 of this chapter in that specific type of aircraft;

(2) Designated as the second in command under part 121, 125, or 135 of this chapter, in that specific type of aircraft;

(3) Designated as the second in command in that specific type of aircraft for the purpose of receiving flight training required by this section, and no passengers or cargo are carried on the aircraft; or

(4) Designated as a safety pilot for purposes required by §91.109(b) of this chapter.

(e) The holder of a commercial or airline transport pilot certificate with the appropriate category and class rating is not required to meet the requirements of paragraph (b)(2) of this section, provided the pilot:

(1) Is conducting a ferry flight, aircraft flight test, or evaluation flight of an aircraft's equipment; and

(2) Is not carrying any person or property on board the aircraft, other than necessary for conduct of the flight.

(f) For the purpose of meeting the requirements of paragraph (b) of this section, a person may serve as second in command in that specific type aircraft, provided:

(1) The flight is conducted under day VFR or day IFR; and

(2) No person or property is carried on board the aircraft, other than necessary for conduct of the flight.

(g) Except as provided in paragraph (h) of this section, the requirements of paragraph (b) of this section may be accomplished in a flight simulator that is used in accordance with an approved course conducted by a training center certificated under part 142 of this chapter.

(h) An applicant for an initial second-in-command qualification for a particular type of aircraft who is qualifying under the terms of paragraph (g) of this section must satisfactorily complete a minimum of one takeoff and one landing in an aircraft of the same type for which the qualification is sought.

[Doc. No. 25910, 62 FR 16298, Apr. 4, 1997; Amdt. 61-103, 62 FR 40898, July 30, 1997]
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~wheelsup
 
wheelsup said:
Are you sure?

61.31:



I never, to my knowledge, received a high altitude endorsement while going through ground school at a regional :confused:? Is it type specific (ie some a/c you need the endorsement as an SIC)? I knew a guy who did what you mentioned (3 t/o's and ldg's) but no high altitude endorsement and flew a citation a few times.
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OOahhh, PIC, I mean. You got it.
 
Unless you undergo formal Falcon 900 SIC training or on the pilot payroll at the company that operates it, I wouldn't put a significant amount of that time on a resume, but that's just my personal opinion.
 
lol...that just sounds great...you think u cud get me in on that too...my dad use to play for the forty niners so i know a lot of people that are up there, also if u want ne kind of autographs i got em...
 
chibrian79 said:
A friend of a friend OWNS (yeah, I should forget this damn flying thing and do what HE does) a Falcon 900 (interesting, right?) and he told me if I want to fly with his pilot once I get all my ratings finished up to get a few hours of jet time, I'm more than welcome.
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Nice of your friend to offer, but it doesn't sound like he's run this idea past his insurance company. Without formal training (FlightSafety/Simuflite, etc), I'd venture to guess they probably won't cover any operations with you in the right seat.
 
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