Replace the F-35 with . . . an updated Super Hornet ?

Yeah, I hate even the appearance of defending President Comacho, but the thing is the most expensive weapons system of all time, dwarfing not only the F-22 and the B-2, but also the Ford carriers, Seawolf submarine, etc. It's also seven YEARS late and 100% over budget. If some dude told you it was going to take twice as long and cost twice as much as promised to put a roof on your house but gosh sorry we're already half way through the job, you wouldn't be weighing your options? Now scale the graft and corruption up about a million times.
 
Yeah, I hate even the appearance of defending President Comacho, but the thing is the most expensive weapons system of all time, dwarfing not only the F-22 and the B-2, but also the Ford carriers, Seawolf submarine, etc. It's also seven YEARS late and 100% over budget. If some dude told you it was going to take twice as long and cost twice as much as promised to put a roof on your house but gosh sorry we're already half way through the job, you wouldn't be weighing your options? Now scale the graft and corruption up about a million times.
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If some dude told you it was going to take twice as long and cost twice as much as promised to put a roof on your house but gosh sorry we're already half way through the job, you wouldn't be weighing your options? Now scale the graft and corruption up about a million times.

We can put this roof on TODAY, and WAY UNDER your budget....but it is made of rice paper.
 
Seems we need to order up a huuuuugr order of nuclear warheads too. You know, until we get things sorted out.
 
Without being too quippy or cynical, it is a serious problem that the F-35 is way over budget...but the (false dichotomy) alternative to buy more new 4th Gen fighters instead is simply a terrible idea.

They will not survive in a world with Su-35+ air threat and double-digit SAM threat. Thus, it may may you feel good to buy less capable fighters of 70s vintage, but only because you and your relatives won't be the ones coming back home in flag-draped caskets.

20 years ago, people were complaining that Raptors were too expensive, and as an alternative decided we'll buy less of those and instead buy more Lightnings. We have paved the one-lane road to the place we are now.
 
Without being too quippy or cynical, it is a serious problem that the F-35 is way over budget...but the (false dichotomy) alternative to buy more new 4th Gen fighters instead is simply a terrible idea.

They will not survive in a world with Su-35+ air threat and double-digit SAM threat. Thus, it may may you feel good to buy less capable fighters of 70s vintage, but only because you and your relatives won't be the ones coming back home in flag-draped caskets.

20 years ago, people were complaining that Raptors were too expensive, and as an alternative decided we'll buy less of those and instead buy more Lightnings. We have paved the one-lane road to the place we are now.

Quoted for truth.

Thank you for reminding everybody of the high-low mix philosophy that killed the Raptor.
 
Without being too quippy or cynical, it is a serious problem that the F-35 is way over budget...but the (false dichotomy) alternative to buy more new 4th Gen fighters instead is simply a terrible idea.

I'm sure it is, but I'm not sure who is presenting the false dichotomy, here. All that I see is President Cheeto making Lockheed sweat (and you know there are some well-clothed asses sweating...even with the billions already bilked there are a lot of snouts lined up at the trough, and the spigot wasn't supposed to be turned off for a long time yet.). He's made no commitments, and frankly with the great weight of Generals poised in his cabinet, I have a hard time imagining that he hasn't heard just what you're saying. But this is one spot where his terrifying unpredictability becomes an asset. He probably won't cancel...but he might. And the piggies at the top can't take that chance.

To me the false dichotomy seems to be "Well yeah, you taxpayers got royally molested again, but if you in any way question or push back against your molestation, it automatically means the program is cancelled and your kids will grow up speaking Russian."
 
Sometimes, things don't cost what the original MSRP price tag shows, especially if improvements are needed for what is revolutionary or a leap forward from previous technology. Now, I don't know at what point or what dollar amount becomes the limit; that's outside my scope.

But I just look at history and look at another aircraft that had a very rocky development start. One that was another joint service program, at least initially. One that was revolutionary in design and capability; and in which required some serious upgrades after previously unknown problems/issues were discovered and had to be fixed with the jet, costing some hefty cost overruns.

That plane was the F-111. From it's revolutionary concepts such as variable geometry (swing) wings, to the first afterburning turbofan engines, to terrain following radar and the automated flight control system tied in with that; the jet had a very steep learning curve that came with it. It's initial combat deployment in 1968 in Vietnam was a disaster, with 3 planes lost out of 6 deployed due not to enemy action, but to previously unknown design issues. However once those issues were fixed (costing more money) and the plane returned to Vietnam in 1972, it became one of the most feared aircraft by the North Vietnamese, next to the B-52. It became one of our only USAF aircraft able to go against the Cambodians during the 1975 Mayaguez incident. It was the primary strike aircraft of the 1986 Libya raid, flying the longest tactical-jet strike mission ever, and it became the most successful and versatile aircraft of the Desert Storm air war. The F-111 went from being a joke, to becoming our most successful all weather, low level, day/night strike interdiction aircraft, along with the A-6 Intruder. As well as having an Electronics Countermeasures version built just like the EA-6 Prowler; as well as a strategic version for SAC for long range nuclear strike. In the end, we got our money's worth out of the F-111, and it would've survived for longer had it not been a victim of the 1990s budget crunch.

The F-35 may not be perfect, but some of its true capabilities are just now becoming realized as newer software and design upgrades are incorporated. Where and how the fiscal end comes in money-wise and to what end that should be reigned in (or can be), again is beyond my scope in terms of actual $$ numbers. But capabilities-wise, the F-35 is indeed coming into its own with its revolutionary design and previously unheard-of changes to our own Tactics, Techniques and Procedures that the technology it brings, is causing. Some of the old ways of "doing business" on the battlefield, are indeed going the way of history.
 
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