Reminder to all those in flight training now

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All in all I think its pretty cool that someone is trying to do something to deter another "terrorist-type" event. Hopefully, the only ones complaining about it should be those without the proper documentation. First people complained nothing was being done, then when folks "try" to do something there is a big hoopla.
I got harrassed by the TSA many times. I got mad at first, but then realized that checking me, a little baby, or granny is a necessary step.
If I'm an american citizen and don't have a birth certificate, in my case I'mma be a man and get a new one. If it's lost get a new one. How are you gonna stop having eveidence of your citizenship LOL?
If you are OK with the new rule hopefully I'm not stepping on your toes, but if you're complainin about it and are an american then...........

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What about those of us who are not US citizens but have acquired permanent residency status through completely legal means?

I have paid my dues, played the waiting game, and have earned my Green Card. Now I have to have more fingerprints taken, and pay some "application" fee so that I can continue flight training? What a joke.
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According to AOPA, anyone that is licensed and current in aircraft under 12,500lbs. may receive training without having to provide proof of citizenship. Go to AOPA.org to read the article and then follow the links to the amendments.
 
Basically to the try and make the country safer certain things have to be done that wasn't done before. If your OK and are legit stop the dag on complainin'. Cause if something happened to you and someone didn't check for proper credentials then you'd be fortunate to complain LOL.
Everyone wants things to change for the better, but when they're inconvenienced, that when the stuff hits the fan. Whether this particular hurdle stops another tragic event doesn't matter too much with me, I just like to see our gov't trying to do something.
A terrorist can be american, non-american, or extra-terrestrial so these types of hassles are very necessary. I still can't understand the complaints just because someone wants you to prove who you say you are. I don't see people complaining to employers when they ask for references, etc. except for those that don't have them.
Plus if it's that much of an inconvenience you could flight train or live elsewhere LOL.
 
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A terrorist can be american, non-american, or extra-terrestrial so these types of hassles are very necessary.

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Exactly. So why are non-citizens that have Green Cards and are legal residents, who have already "proved" themselves and spent bundles of cash and time and effort and energy going through the approval process being treated differently? Why do they have to get fingerprinted and pay $130? This is borderline discrimination.
 
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what if you don't have a passport or a US BC? what if your training on a green card or some other form of immigrant status?

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If you have a green card, you have a passport of your host country.
 
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Basically to the try and make the country safer certain things have to be done that wasn't done before. If your OK and are legit stop the dag on complainin'.

[/ QUOTE ]How easy it is for some people the say "the heck with rights, so long as it doesn't affect me =right now=," or "Daddy, please just make me safe. Lock me up if you have to, so long as I feel safe."

You're obviously not familiar with this famous work,

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First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew

Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a communist

and then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist

and then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me
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It was written by Martin Niemoeller, a Protestant pastor who was liberated from a Nazi concentration camp in 1945.

But if safety is what you want...

Please explain how a rule that requires Dad to bring his passport for his birthday flight in a 152 while at the same time permitting a renegade Saudi prince to "test drive" a 737 is "protecting" us from anything.

Please explain how requiring individual CFIs and mom & pop flight schools to do the government's data collection job instead of, for example. requiring an earlier application for a student pilot certificate and then running the information against the government databases is "protecting" us.

Unless, of course, despite the 911 Commission's report lambasting the Government's inept database management, three years after 911, it =still= can't do it. In which case we have a =lot= to worry about that won't be taken care of nonsensical rules that make =some= people feel better while doing nothing.
 
Those willing to give up a little liberty for a little security deserve neither security nor liberty.

Benjamin Franklin
 
The full quote is even more eloquent

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
 
I'm in the process of getting my green card. It will be 6 years in November. I already got all the FBI fingerprints and the green card itseld should arrive in the next few months. I'm planning on starting flight lessons in about 2 weeks. Will I still be able to do so if I have my passport from Brazil, my id, driver's license, and social security? Isn't this enough info on me?
 
I'll let ya'll rant. The average joe doesn't know who you are or what you did. I can see that you would rather fuss and throw a hissy-fit than prove something that is acceptable by showing a little document. I can see the frustration if they threw in a physical agility test, but they are saying show me these identifying documents.
I figured in life that anyone can justify anything in their own mind, so you throw a hissy-fit about showing a legal document while I'll willingly show it and wave to you as I taxi to takeoff LOL.
 
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The full quote is even more eloquent

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

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I do like that better.


Too bad more people in this country can't see the long term ramifications as well as Ben did.
 
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Will I still be able to do so if I have my passport from Brazil, my id, driver's license, and social security? Isn't this enough info on me?

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No, that's no good...you have to have a Passport showing that you are a U.S. Citizen...
 
That sucks:( Now my aviation career is all messed up. No solo at 16...no PPL at 17.
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That sucks:( Now my aviation career is all messed up. No solo at 16...no PPL at 17.

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I think you'll survive.
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I really should start reading more. All I have to do is apply and get a background check. I also have to pay the ridiculous amount of $130.
 
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"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

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Hmmmm, interesting quote, but in this day and age it doesn't fit and if it doesn't fit you must acquit LOL. Had to entertain myself for a second there.
After 9/11 when people were at the peak of calling for national security. Many politicians and high ranking military officers went on record stating that the security asked for would infringe upon many liberties we have.
These liberties are being used against us and before you know it you'll be saying things just ain't the same, if you're not saying it already.
You can't keep your eye off the ultimate goal which is national security. I don't think one action is gonna do it all, so you have to start somewhere.
OK, since you don't like the idea if you were the man what would you propose. I know I'd start by having Chris Rock as president.
 
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The full quote is even more eloquent

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

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And will soon be deprived of both.

Edit:Actually, it would be one thing if we were giving up essential liberty for some actual safety, but really we're just giving up our essential liberties for the appearance of safety. What kind of Kafka-esque lunatic thinks that's a good idea.

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appearance of safety

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I concur.
Too bad I didn't read your post earlier Brian. If you need any help with getting what you need just shoot me a p.m.
 
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