Recent Flight EXP.

jhugz

jhugz

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I'm doing an initial multi w/ a guy that started to train over 15 years ago. He has a lot of the stuff knocked out, but when I was talking to our staff DPE she told me that he couldn't use any of that stuff because it's so old. She states that the FAA doesn't allow her to use the training when it is that old. I can't find anything in the reg's except the 60 day so I guess I am just going to give the Fed's a ring tommorow. Any one else with the same experience?
 
jhugz said:
Kinda tough to not use our school's DPE without burning any bridges.
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Ask for a reference that shows where she can't accept it. When she can't provide it ask what the problem is.

At that point she'll still refuse, so you find a DPE that won't. If your school has a problem with it, what other rules are they letting the DPE make up? I'd give her a chance to explain before I call the FSDO.

If you've already done that, then yeah maybe a call to the FSDO.

-mini
 
Nothing in the regs about that AT ALL. I suppose you can try looking through 8900 to see if there is something not "recommending" counting older training but I really don't think you will find anything.

Ask them to solidify their position so they can point out the error of your ways. Let them "help" you when they can't, move on.
 
DPEs are people too, they are often flat out wrong. Nowhere in the FAR is an "Expiration Date" on training, only the requirement of 61.39. I would for sure make a stink about that if this DPE holds that line.
 
bdhill1979 said:
DPEs are people too, they are often flat out wrong. Nowhere in the FAR is an "Expiration Date" on training, only the requirement of 61.39. I would for sure make a stink about that if this DPE holds that line.
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Yep...and at 275/hr my student is not happy.
 
I agree with the others, as the DPE to point it out, and when they can't, move on to somebody else if they still stick to it. That's crazy to think that training has an expiration.
 
jhugz said:
Yep...and at 275/hr my student is not happy.
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I would certainly hope not.

"...our school's DPE...". What is meant by this?

If it's a DPE on payroll and the school wants to lose a few hours of a plane and instructor flying over this, then there isn't much you can do. My money says the student will walk vs. having to do alllllll of that training again. If not, the student is just as dumb as the school management.

-mini
 
minitour said:
I would certainly hope not.

"...our school's DPE...". What is meant by this?

If it's a DPE on payroll and the school wants to lose a few hours of a plane and instructor flying over this, then there isn't much you can do. My money says the student will walk vs. having to do alllllll of that training again. If not, the student is just as dumb as the school management.

-mini
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We call her that, but she isn't payrolled so I'm sure that this isn't playing a role. She works out of our office but pays rent to my understanding and does all our checkrides. She is usually really good with a ton of experience. I just don't know where she is coming on this one.
 
jhugz said:
We call her that, but she isn't payrolled so I'm sure that this isn't playing a role. She works out of our office but pays rent to my understanding and does all our checkrides. She is usually really good with a ton of experience. I just don't know where she is coming on this one.
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Interesting. I'd definitely ask her to point it out where she's getting that. She'll fail. If she sticks to her guns, you find someone else for your students...because, what else is she making up on a whim? I wouldn't worry about burning her bridge, I'm sure the other instructors will keep her happy.

Crockrocket94 said:
141 or 61?
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Good point. I think we all assumed 61 (and got lucky) but you're correct that 141 would make a difference.

-mini
 
Tough spot to be in. I would also have the student record the ENTIRE checkride. Chances are, when you find her wrong, and your student goes for the ride, she'll bust him because she is upset that a "measly" CFI proved her wrong. Atleast if you record the ride, and your student get's busted, he'll have a leg to stand on when he goes to the FSDO.
 
mshunter said:
Tough spot to be in. I would also have the student record the ENTIRE checkride. Chances are, when you find her wrong, and your student goes for the ride, she'll bust him because she is upset that a "measly" CFI proved her wrong. Atleast if you record the ride, and your student get's busted, he'll have a leg to stand on when he goes to the FSDO.
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That's why you find a new DPE....because if you sent him with recording equipment, it'll be the next guy that gets the bust, not him.

OTOH, she may go "well I'll be damned..." and all might just turn out rainbows and puppies.

-mini
 
I understand that's is a good idea to assume the worst, but is rather possible that she is just wrong. Happens every now and then. I would go discuss it with her from a point of view that you were under the impression it would count. Don't be a about it confront her like hey I'm right you are wrong so stuff it! There is a subtle way to point out someone is wrong.

Our DPE is wrong everyonce and a while. We tell him and he doesn't have a problem with it. Of course we are wrong a lot and he tells us and we don't have a problem with it. MMV, though. I wouldn't expect she is evil right out of the gate though.
 
People make mistakes. Call the FSDO and ask them. If you want to maintain good relations with the DPE, ask her if it is okay to call the FSDO since you are trying to save the guy some money. If she doesn't like it, then you need to find a new DPE fast!
 
Jake Wheeler said:
People make mistakes. Call the FSDO and ask them.
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They will likely be just as clueless.

We had a DPE that would do the same sort of stuff. He would make up his own rules. We just quit using him and haven't looked back since. As far as your examiner is concerned, his time may be useless from a training standpoint, but there is nothing that says that time is not valid towards the required training.
 
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