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This is My Screen Name

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Unhappy with current position.

Got invited to interview at greener pastures.

Had 1.5yrs military orders drop the same day (knew they were coming, just didn't know when...)

Feels wrong to start INDOC and drop orders before I could even finish INDOC.

So take high road, full disclosure at the interview and let them make that decision?
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Keep my mouth shut unless they specifically ask me because I'm afraid I won't be offered the position?
 
I'd guess there is a really good chance they are going to ask you anyway being you have a military background. Maybe they could put you in a pool? I wouldn't lie about it if they asked you (and that was not something you mentioned above). If you bring it up at the interview they might see it as good faith and give you another shot later. I just can't imagine them NOT asking you at the interview. Was it on the app? I'd bet they say at some point "is everything on the app still current and correct".
 
Its on my app that I am in the Guard but no place to put "hey I'm expecting orders soon"

Talked to one of my military friends that works there and he said "get your seniority number".

It feels wrong to me to not say something, though my brain says "get your seniority number" - so its kind of a battle between what my gut and what my head says, though if asked will definitely be honest.

Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated.
 
This is My Screen Name said:
Its on my app that I am in the Guard but no place to put "hey I'm expecting orders soon"

Talked to one of my military friends that works there and he said "get your seniority number".

It feels wrong to me to not say something, though my brain says "get your seniority number" - so its kind of a battle between what my gut and what my head says, though if asked will definitely be honest.

Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated.
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Full disclosure. Things rarely go well when you try to hide stuff.
 
I guess that's my real question - is it really being dishonest to answer the questions they ask, show up for INDOC and drop the pending orders?

I know that sounds like I'm trying to justify bad behavior and maybe it is in the sense that while I don't intend to be misleading I also got to do what's best for myself - the whole if you died the job ad would be in the paper before your obituary was routine.

(as previously stated my gut agrees with what has been said - so posing this question as a more philosophical one...)
 
I always find this stuff funny. The airline will treat you like utter garbage with no regard for you, your family, your mental health, etc. But pilots will worry about "doing the right thing" in their dealings with the airline.

Do what's best for you. If they don't ask, don't volunteer it. If they ask, be honest. And if you don't get the job after they ask and you answer, I'd sue the chit out of them.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Do what's best for you. If they don't ask, don't volunteer it. If they ask, be honest. And if you don't get the job after they ask and you answer, I'd sue the chit out of them.
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I generally agree with this, but I highly doubt you’d be successful at suing them. It’d be pretty hard to prove they didn’t hire you for that reason. Most places won’t tell you why you weren’t hired just “were sorry, you just didn’t score high enough”.
 
skatergeek said:
I generally agree with this, but I highly doubt you’d be successful at suing them. It’d be pretty hard to prove they didn’t hire you for that reason. Most places won’t tell you why you weren’t hired just “were sorry, you just didn’t score high enough”.
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They’d settle and their insurers would pay out. Just asking the question would be liability risk for them. Most of them know better, so it would never be asked. USERRA is very strict in this regard.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
They’d settle and their insurers would pay out. Just asking the question would be liability risk for them. Most of them know better, so it would never be asked. USERRA is very strict in this regard.
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I don’t know much about USERRA, but what’s stopping every mil pilot from suing when they don’t get hired? I mean from what you said, any mil pilot could sue if they get turned downed after being asked about their service..
 
skatergeek said:
I don’t know much about USERRA, but what’s stopping every mil pilot from suing when they don’t get hired? I mean from what you said, any mil pilot could sue if they get turned downed after being asked about their service..
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Two things:

1. Most companies won’t ask about it, because they know better.

2. Most people are too cowardly and cheap to sue in those rare cases when a company is stupid enough to ask.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Two things:

1. Most companies won’t ask about it, because they know better.

2. Most people are too cowardly and cheap to sue in those rare cases when a company is stupid enough to ask.
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When I interviewed at the SJI, every mil pilot interviewing that day was asked about their service and if they plan to retire or stay in.
 
This is My Screen Name said:
Unhappy with current position.

Got invited to interview at greener pastures.

Had 1.5yrs military orders drop the same day (knew they were coming, just didn't know when...)

Feels wrong to start INDOC and drop orders before I could even finish INDOC.

So take high road, full disclosure at the interview and let them make that decision?
or
Keep my mouth shut unless they specifically ask me because I'm afraid I won't be offered the position?
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Sorry for the thread creep. If I were you I’d still interview. Don’t bring it up, but if they do, be honest.
 
I havent read a lot of what has been posted because the first few things stated have 0 to do with your situation.

The USERRA protects you.

It’s the Law.

If they fail to hire you based upon your military obligation, that is discrimination. It’s against the law.

Get a class date, then drop orders. Provide a copy to your HR department, because you have obligations just as your emoloyer does.

I’m very well versed with this exact subject.
PM if you want to chat more about it.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
Both airlines I’ve worked for being dishonest is about the only thing you can get fired for.
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This, hugely; it is literally the same everywhere (n = 2).

(Although failure to follow a direct order is also something I've seen people canned for at the previous employer as well.)
 
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