radio communications loss during hold in IMC

Still working on my instrument, but I would, 7600, continue my hold until the EFC, then fly the approach and land.
 
Matt13C said:
Still working on my instrument, but I would, 7600, continue my hold until the EFC, then fly the approach and land.
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that makes sense, considering youre squawking 7600, atc is notified and will notify other aircraft of your predicament
 
TangoSix said:
that makes sense, considering youre squawking 7600, atc is notified and will notify other aircraft of your predicament
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Unless it's an electrical failure, in which case they won't. But then again, if you have an electrical failure in IMC, your ability to navigate anywhere is severely hampered.
 
rd757 said:
EFC or if no EFC till the ETA, I believe.
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There will always be an EFC issued when given hold instructions. Keep in mind, a lot of people will say once you exit the hold to fly the approach as filed. Your better option is to always know where VFR is, and head in that direction. Of course there may be times when that is not possible. But it's the safer action, especially if you've had an electrical failure.
 
troopernflight said:
There will always be an EFC issued when given hold instructions. Keep in mind, a lot of people will say once you exit the hold to fly the approach as filed. Your better option is to always know where VFR is, and head in that direction. Of course there may be times when that is not possible. But it's the safer action, especially if you've had an electrical failure.
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yeah thats what i was thinking. and if you've had electrical failure, atc is sure to know considering your tx will disappear from their screen, and you wont respond to their communications
 
And also the Highest of the following: your (MEA) Minimum
Expected
Assigned

The controller will know that you are lost comms once you squawk 7600 and will accomodate traffic. Try to make it to the aiport as close to your eta as possible. If you were assigned an EFC time during your hold, I would depart the hold and head towards the airport of intended landing. If you are there really early you can hold at the FAF (if able) until it gets closer to your ETA and then shoot the approach.

Or you could just squawk 7700 instead, land immediately and tell them you were having electrical problems in IMC. :) but they you have o fill out more paperwork.
 
Heres one for you though. Say you out shooting approaches and given a hold with no EFC. What do you do? And for those who say a EFC is always given I can assure you that its not. When shooting approaches at MFD there are lots of time when in the hold all they say is let us know when your ready to leave. So if you loose communications what do you do than?
 
troopernflight said:
There will always be an EFC issued when given hold instructions. Keep in mind, a lot of people will say once you exit the hold to fly the approach as filed. Your better option is to always know where VFR is, and head in that direction. Of course there may be times when that is not possible. But it's the safer action, especially if you've had an electrical failure.
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So your suggestion is to fly, IMC, with no visible transponder if full electrical failure, to a spot you think is VFR and hope that ATC can read your mind and clear the airspace ahead of you?

Maybe I misunderstood, but that seems like the worst idea.
 
Jbroz04 said:
Heres one for you though. Say you out shooting approaches and given a hold with no EFC. What do you do? And for those who say a EFC is always given I can assure you that its not. When shooting approaches at MFD there are lots of time when in the hold all they say is let us know when your ready to leave. So if you loose communications what do you do than?
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ETA.
 
Jbroz04 said:
Heres one for you though. Say you out shooting approaches and given a hold with no EFC. What do you do? And for those who say a EFC is always given I can assure you that its not. When shooting approaches at MFD there are lots of time when in the hold all they say is let us know when your ready to leave. So if you loose communications what do you do than?
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You ask for an EFC time if it is not given.
 
ETA.
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Say you have no ETA. MFD is the only place I've never been given a EFC even when just shooting practice approaches. But the times I wasnt given a EFC I didnt have a ETA either.
 
troopernflight said:
There will always be an EFC issued when given hold instructions. Keep in mind, a lot of people will say once you exit the hold to fly the approach as filed. Your better option is to always know where VFR is, and head in that direction. Of course there may be times when that is not possible. But it's the safer action, especially if you've had an electrical failure.
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Well that's all fine and dandy except for the part which is now in the posts above me that what if you weren't given one. Say you're out practicing and you just fly the published missed, enter a hold then bam you lose comms. It was a practice, didn't think much of it and now you're in a hold, no efc and no comms. That's what I was going after.

RD
 
In a practice approach situation, approach will issue an "expect" procedure, or at least ask. Thats often why the ask,"after the approach, say intentions" Were you to go lost com's at that point, the next that you have asked for is what is expected. Believe it or not, but ATC is pretty good about knowing when you have an issue... even if 7600 doesn't show up on the scope.
 
Jbroz04 said:
Say you have no ETA. MFD is the only place I've never been given a EFC even when just shooting practice approaches. But the times I wasnt given a EFC I didnt have a ETA either.
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No idea, as I said I am still working on my IR.

I've never been in a situation where what was expected was not expressly stated by ATC when in actual. When flying practice approaches and expecting to be IMC we filed, which included an ETA.

If you asked to fly the published hold then proceed to airport ABC and fly the VOR-A and lost comm in the hold, I would go 7600, complete the lap and turn in for the approach.

But I would like to hear what someone more knowledgeable on the subject has to say about it.
 
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