Quick jumpseat ettiqute story

E_Dawg

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Trying to get to costa rica the other day the flights to atl were full. I had already missed a flight (full w jump) and the next wasn't looking too hot either. Anyway on the second flight I noticed a pilot sign in for the jump after I did. He was in uniform and obviously trying to get to work; I was not in uni and simply pleasure flying. After some inner conflict along with the input of a fellow jc'er I decided to talk to him and offer what would have been my seat. He turned out to be one of the nicest and coolest people I've come across. Long story short we BOTH missed that flight (weight restricted) but ended up chatting a bit, trading phone numbers, and we both made what became my 3rd try which (barely) worked for both of us. He was a true professional in the way he treated the gate agents and customers despite a stressful situation.

Anyway, just wanted to share a positive jumpseat/networking experience.
 
Trying to get to costa rica the other day the flights to atl were full. I had already missed a flight (full w jump) and the next wasn't looking too hot either. Anyway on the second flight I noticed a pilot sign in for the jump after I did. He was in uniform and obviously trying to get to work; I was not in uni and simply pleasure flying. After some inner conflict along with the input of a fellow jc'er I decided to talk to him and offer what would have been my seat. He turned out to be one of the nicest and coolest people I've come across. Long story short we BOTH missed that flight (weight restricted) but ended up chatting a bit, trading phone numbers, and we both made what became my 3rd try which (barely) worked for both of us. He was a true professional in the way he treated the gate agents and customers despite a stressful situation.

Anyway, just wanted to share a positive jumpseat/networking experience.

Thats what I was taught way back in the day regards jumpseating; good etiquette says you defer to someone going to work, esp if pleasure flying. I've done the same a few times when I came across someone with the same JS priority as me, and I'd signed in before them. What inner conflict was there?
 
More a togune in cheek comment than anything. I am not a commuter and have never encountered a situation like that. I just didn't want to Doug Taylor a guy out of getting to work, even though I had technically checked in first ;)
 
More a togune in cheek comment than anything. I am not a commuter and have never encountered a situation like that. I just didn't want to Doug Taylor a guy out of getting to work, even though I had technically checked in first ;)

Poor Doug...........his name used in blasphemy now! :D
 
Haha yeah well ;) anyway I didn't mean to imply that I'd have done anything other than offer the other guy priority. Just that when you aren't a regular commuter sometimes it takes a moment to work through what the right thing to do is, mostly by putting yourself in the other guys shoes. Anyway the point being he really appreciated it and in the end it was a good networking opportunity. Just wanted to post something positive in the airline pilot forum!
 
I'm a firm believer that jumpseat/non-rev karma goes a long way. Help someone in need out and it will pay off for you someday. Screw someone over and it will come back to bite you!
 
I'm a firm believer that jumpseat/non-rev karma goes a long way. Help someone in need out and it will pay off for you someday. Screw someone over and it will come back to bite you!

Agreed...though I did have a time when i did someone a favor to build some karma and it bit me in the ass.

When I went to sleep there were two flights that would get me there and I had the jumpseat reserved on the first one with tons of empty seats on both. When I woke up, the second one was canceled, but I was still good with the first one.

Showed up at the gate, checked in with plenty of time to be told the aircraft was in maintenance. They said it would be delayed but I'd still get there on time.

A mainline pilot shows up and we get to talking. We all pretty much knew each other because of how often we run into each other commuting. Finally the flight gets pushed back far enough that I'm going to be late (just long call reserve converted to short call). They are very nice and tell me "no big deal, just keep us updated".

Finally it gets pushed back late enough that the first flight coming from Atlanta will arrive and depart before the flight on which I have a jumpseat reserved. The mainline guy is going to an actual trip and will be late if he doesn't get on the flight, so I let him take the first one. The logic being "I still have the jumpseat reserved on this one that they're fixing.

To reinforce that logic we're told "ok, its fixed. They just need to do an engine run up to make sure it is fixed and it should leave 30 mins after the first flight.

They start the run up and right after the first flight pushed back, we are told the engine run up didn't work and the flight is now cancelled.

End up calling crew scheduling to "keep them updated" and end up getting an unavailable on reserve because I was honest with them. Had I not said anything, nothing would have happened because they didn't have a trip. The scheduler tells me "because you're listed as unavailable on reserve, you might as well just go home". But to show that I was actually trying, I showed up anyway, only an hour and 45 mins late.

Talked to the CP and was told "it is what it is".

That being said, I still try to build karma wherever I can. I still know I did the right thing. Ended up sitting 4 days on short call reserve (no crashpad yet) without being called. I bugged the heck out of them for flying and they even told me "we're not going to need you, but we can't put you back on long call reserve".

Those 4 days were the closest I've been to quitting since I started working here.
 
Agreed...though I did have a time when i did someone a favor to build some karma and it bit me in the ass.

When I went to sleep there were two flights that would get me there and I had the jumpseat reserved on the first one with tons of empty seats on both. When I woke up, the second one was canceled, but I was still good with the first one.

Showed up at the gate, checked in with plenty of time to be told the aircraft was in maintenance. They said it would be delayed but I'd still get there on time.

A mainline pilot shows up and we get to talking. We all pretty much knew each other because of how often we run into each other commuting. Finally the flight gets pushed back far enough that I'm going to be late (just long call reserve converted to short call). They are very nice and tell me "no big deal, just keep us updated".

Finally it gets pushed back late enough that the first flight coming from Atlanta will arrive and depart before the flight on which I have a jumpseat reserved. The mainline guy is going to an actual trip and will be late if he doesn't get on the flight, so I let him take the first one. The logic being "I still have the jumpseat reserved on this one that they're fixing.

To reinforce that logic we're told "ok, its fixed. They just need to do an engine run up to make sure it is fixed and it should leave 30 mins after the first flight.

They start the run up and right after the first flight pushed back, we are told the engine run up didn't work and the flight is now cancelled.

End up calling crew scheduling to "keep them updated" and end up getting an unavailable on reserve because I was honest with them. Had I not said anything, nothing would have happened because they didn't have a trip. The scheduler tells me "because you're listed as unavailable on reserve, you might as well just go home". But to show that I was actually trying, I showed up anyway, only an hour and 45 mins late.

Talked to the CP and was told "it is what it is".

That being said, I still try to build karma wherever I can. I still know I did the right thing. Ended up sitting 4 days on short call reserve (no crashpad yet) without being called. I bugged the heck out of them for flying and they even told me "we're not going to need you, but we can't put you back on long call reserve".

Those 4 days were the closest I've been to quitting since I started working here.


That sounds like something KS would say...
 
I'm trying to get to home a few weeks ago. JFK-MCO flight is oversold as usual. I'm thinking about running over to jetBlue but I check to see if any jumpseaters are listed. Gate agent tells me no and lists me. They start boarding and with about 20 min to go a DL pilot shows up. He talks to the other gate agent, shows his ID and I know I'm getting the boot. The DL pilot comes over to me and we begin talking. He just did 8 hrs from Milan, I just came back from Norfolk(I know I live the glam life). Real cool guy and says he'll take the FA jumpseat so I can sit in the cockpit. I know some people are d' bags when it comes to jumpseating but I think most commuters are all on the same page. We are just trying to get to and from work.
 
I'm a firm believer that jumpseat/non-rev karma goes a long way. Help someone in need out and it will pay off for you someday. Screw someone over and it will come back to bite you!


Totally agree, normally my wife and I will take 3 seats to let our 1 year old hang out in her carseat and not in our laps for our normal 3 hour trek to ORD from PHX. 2 weeks ago I fought the urge to take all 3 and allow a fellow non-rev a seat on a full flight and got some quality daddy-daughter time in the process. The person personally thanked us onboard...Karma rocks.
 
I'm not 121 anymore so take my JS priority with a grain of salt...but I always felt that it was
1.To work
2.Home from work
3.Pleasure
 
I have let people going home take the JS from me a couple times. I have always felt that going home is more important than going to work but I don't commute anymore so I really never participate in the JS wars anymore. To me spending time with the family and not having to pay for a hotel when you thought you were going to be home was always more important than burning a commuter clause.
 
Was about to get on in the cockpit of a full jetblue flight when 2 of their pilots showed up to jumpseat. For a minute I thought I was about to get double Doug Taylored. I was just about to walk away when the other jumpseater came back up the jetway to call me over, and somehow I had a seat. Really nice of him to come back up to make sure I got on.
 
I'm a firm believer that jumpseat/non-rev karma goes a long way. Help someone in need out and it will pay off for you someday. Screw someone over and it will come back to bite you!

Couldn't agree more. Its nice to hear pilots helping pilots
 
I have an epic KS story. I lost all respect for that man.

I lost a bunch of respect for our management when I had to more or less beg for time off for my own wedding.

Talked to 3 different guys and got different stories from all of them. Ranging from "no problem, talk to us when it comes closer", "no problem, try to swap/exchange it first though", then when it came close "ooh...staffing looks kinda tight, I'm not so sure about it..."
 
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