Questions for current UND CFIs...

Zidac

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Hey everyone, I have a couple of questions for CFIs.

1. How difficult is it to be hired as a CFI at UND?
2. Do you enjoy the job?
3. Should one wait until they graduate before they try to start as a CFI, or is it reasonable to balance the job and coursework?
3. How many hours (TT/ME) are you typically logging per month?

Thanks!
 
Hey everyone, I have a couple of questions for CFIs.

1. How difficult is it to be hired as a CFI at UND?
2. Do you enjoy the job?
3. Should one wait until they graduate before they try to start as a CFI, or is it reasonable to balance the job and coursework?
3. How many hours (TT/ME) are you typically logging per month?

Thanks!

1. This can vary at times depending on supply and demand. I would encourage you to investigate the hiring process and be prepared. Typically, the process involves a written test covering commercial pilot knowledge and CFI related information such as endorsements, common errors, etc. An IFR simulator evaluation is also conducted. Interviews are also held. It is HR and technical and is conducted by several lead instructors in addition to some line instructors.

2. I did enjoy instructing very much. I instructed from 2008-2011, for a hair over 1,000 hrs. It certainly has its moments like any job does, but it was rewarding in many regards. There is a very diverse student base and they will keep you sharp.

3. Out of the nearly four years that I instructed, I was taking class for around three. A year and a half of undergrad, and a year and a half of graduate coursework. It is possible to balance schedules, but can be tricky at times. I was also very active in some student groups and marching band as well. I had to reduce my band participation when I began instructing to open more time for students. The key is to be smart about enrolling in classes, trying to keep them all together on certain days in order to free up blocks of 4+ hours at a time for students. A block of two hours here, and three hours here won't work with the flight schedule.

4. When I was full time, I had a goal of billing 100 hours/month. This included flight, pre/post brief, simulator, and ground lesson time. Out of that, around half was flight time. It is very possible to work more than that if you are interested. Keep in mind, I was taking classes, so I tried to limit instructing to a point. You are allowed up to 40 hours/week, and some instructors and roll in close to that.

Keep in mind that my opinion is going to vary a lot from other instructors. I thoroughly enjoyed my time instructing at UND. I got along with nearly all the other instructors and the management. That does not mean that we didn't have disagreements. There are a lot of things that I believe could be done differently, but in the end I wasn't flying my own airplane. I flew it the way they wanted it flown, and I taught what they wanted taught. As an instructor in a 141 program, you are bound to teach what is in the TCO. However, you do have the ability to add to it and put your own twist on things with scenarios and so forth. Find interesting ways to keep the students engaged and push their experience levels within the TCO. Remain professional and personable. Think AND teach outside the box. Management will listen if you approach them professionally about an issue.

Good luck if you decide to take the plunge!
 
I was a CFI at UND for two years (2009-2010), but I think leaving for another instructing job was one of the best decisions I've ever made.

I was hired during the second semester of my senior year (I was only taking two classes, so splitting the workload wasn't too bad), and the hiring process was exactly like what ScoutFlyer described. The written test did include some stuff on UND's policies&procedures (pretty basic stuff like weather minimums), so reviewing those before you apply wouldn't hurt.

Before I go into specifics of why I left, I want to make it clear that I got along really well with most of the leads and the other CFI's, and I have nothing but good things to say about how I was treated by the course leads and upper management. I think very highly of the UND program overall (even though I disagree with how they do some things), and my situation ended up basically being a case of "wrong place, wrong time".

Most of the issues I ran into were with the lead I was assigned to, who pretty much went out of their way to make my life difficult. For some reason, they refused to assign me more than two students at a time (I was instructing full time, so I had no scheduling issues), and on a few occasions they reassigned one of my students to another CFI without talking to myself or the student before doing so. My lead also tended to get severely annoyed if their phone calls weren't returned within a couple of hours, despite the fact they usually took at least 24 hours to respond to calls from instructors. Adding to the frustration was the fact that I managed to get assigned a series of flaky 102 undergrad students (they would just disappear for a week or so on several occasions), so coming into work was about as much fun as slamming my head in a car door repeatedly by the end.

Since I had so few students, keeping the 80% pass rate was extremely difficult (and I was making almost no money), which put more pressure on me and just made the stress of the job worse than it already was.

Eventually, I realized I was getting progressively more bitter and disillusioned each time I got weathered and every time my lead complained that I wasn't able to get an Air China student who was 20 lessons behind template on schedule during No-Fly November, so I resigned from UND and took a part 61 instructing job in Arizona.

Strange as it sounds, I did enjoy most of my time working at UND, but I decided my sanity (and bank balance) weren't worth hanging around any longer than I did.
 
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