Question on logging dual given

Hollywood

Hollywood

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Let's say your an MEI. your on an IFR cross country with a MEL rated pilot, no MEI. both of you are instrument rated. he is the sole manipulator of the controls. your just going along for the ride type of thing. could you log that dual given or safety pilot? from my understanding, you can log any flight as dual given if you have that cfi rating on your certificate. even if your riding with another cfi. AND, if you log that as dual given, wouldn't that seem fishy if all your "dual given" time is also cross country time.
 
that's kind of my point. i think you can log it as dual given, but how do you give instruction to someone who is already rated and log it as so.
 
So they can both log the time.

Seriously, if you're going to log it as dual just so you can both log the time, that's a little fishy, though in all honesty, no one can prove you didn't give dual after the fact. Now, if he asked you to accompany him as an instructor (he wanted a little refreshing, or just the piece of mind of having a CFI along or whatever his reasons are), then hell yeah log it as dual.

Just remember that when logging it as dual, you have to record in his logbook what you did and sign it. If you didn't do anything (IE you logged it as dual so you could log the time), then recording what you did might pose a problem.
 
Doesn't matter if the training you're giving is to a rating or some other lofty goal (BFR or something). If you are giving training, you log it as dual. Many pilots fly with an instructor after they get their license just to get recurrent training.
 
my question was in regards to a time building operation. lets say your employed by this company to fly along with people who want to build multi time. the owners insurance wants a person with higher multi time in the airplane with "the time builder". BUT, the high time guy doesn't want hundreds of hours of safety pilot time in their book. do they have to log it safety pilot, or can they log it dual given
 
Just try and teach the person you're building time with something new each time. If you've got a GPS in there... I know you won't have any problems finding stuff to teach... and even if you don't, there's a whole lot to teach someone even if they are rated in the aircraft.

Obviously, the person you're flying with has to agree to this too... it's their money!
 
If it's an insurance thing, I'd say log it as dual given. But, I would also CYA and sign his logbook, too. Put it down as like an insurance requirement or something. You can do instruction with a rated pilot. I went up with my instructor for some VFR refresher stuff when I had a month or two lapse of flying. I didn't feel comfortable solo at the time, but I was a PPL. Someone else in another thread mentioned that the FAA was investigating some flight school and was comparing instructor's logbooks to students. Don't want to get caught in that trap.
 
I think the catch is that you can log it as dual given. But I think the actual PIC has to log it as dual recieved.

Operative phrase is "I think"

But the problem is that on a lot of airline applications, they ask to subtract the 'dual given' time from 'total time'.
 
If an instructor is instructing a student pilot, does he log the time as PIC?
Does that instructing PIC time count normally towards total time like anyother flying?

Cheers
 
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But the problem is that on a lot of airline applications, they ask to subtract the 'dual given' time from 'total time'.

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So, when I become a flight instructor.... and if I flight instruct 1,500 hours, that'd have to be subtracted from my total time? I don't quite understand. Or did you mean dual recieved?
 
I'm enjoying a frosty adult beverage for those 21 and up so perhaps I'm not writing clearly
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But a lot of applications as you to separate your PIC from your PIC/dual recieved.

Clear as a heavy lead curtain?
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I'll repost the same answer I gave to your question elsewhere:

If I was in fact giving instruction during the flight, I'd endorse the pilot's logbook and log it as PIC and dual given in mine.

If I was just "going along for the ride", I would not falsify my logbook and try to justify it so I could build more time.

[Telephone rings]
"Hello?"
"Hello. This is Inspector Smith from the FAA. There was a fatal accident last night. N1234X hit a power line during an approach. We see you gave him 25 hours of instrument dual during the past 4 months. We'd like to talk to you."
 
Doug, funny thing is I knew what you meant (recieved instead of given), and I still wrote "dual given" instead of "dual recieved" in my post. Don't know HOW I could have dual given in my logbook with only 170 TT and no CFI.....
 
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Doug, funny thing is I knew what you meant (recieved instead of given), and I still wrote "dual given" instead of "dual recieved" in my post. Don't know HOW I could have dual given in my logbook with only 170 TT and no CFI.....

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By writing it in there
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. Seriously though, a logbook is only as good as the person putting time in it. I would not want to log anything that is going to appear to be questionable time when I'm at an interview.
 
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