Question about hours.

troopernflight

troopernflight

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I'm a private/multi working on my commercial. I have a friend who let's me fly sole-manip on a King Air 200. Of the 250 hours for commercial, roughly 40 of those will be King Air time. Will this raise a red flag during my commercial ride, or do you think I will be questioned about this? I know it's probably not the typical type of logged hours they are used to seeing at my experience level. All in all, I know it doesn't matter. But I just wanted to be prepared for anything that may come up. Thanks.
 
troopernflight said:
I'm a private/multi working on my commercial. I have a friend who let's me fly sole-manip on a King Air 200. Of the 250 hours for commercial, roughly 40 of those will be King Air time. Will this raise a red flag during my commercial ride, or do you think I will be questioned about this? I know it's probably not the typical type of logged hours they are used to seeing at my experience level. All in all, I know it doesn't matter. But I just wanted to be prepared for anything that may come up. Thanks.
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Rip up your log book and start over.
 
troopernflight said:
I'm a private/multi working on my commercial. I have a friend who let's me fly sole-manip on a King Air 200. Of the 250 hours for commercial, roughly 40 of those will be King Air time. Will this raise a red flag during my commercial ride, or do you think I will be questioned about this? I know it's probably not the typical type of logged hours they are used to seeing at my experience level. All in all, I know it doesn't matter. But I just wanted to be prepared for anything that may come up. Thanks.
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Do you have a high altitude and a high performance endorsement. Second, is your buddy logging flight time on those legs and is he/she an MEI? If you buddy is not an MEI and is not providing instruction to you, then only one of you can log the time per flight. The King Air B200 only requires one pilot to fly it, so if you are not a commercial pilot and flying under fractional ownership of part 91, only one of you can log the time.

What type of flying is being done when you are logging sole-manip time in this King Air? If you do not hold a commercial ticket yet, these must be empty legs flown part 91.

If you buddy is just joy riding in his King Air and letting you fly, that's cool. It becomes dicey when you look at the later parts of part 91 flying and Operation/Fractional Ownership flying.
 
God, not this argument again...If you are flying the airplane log the hours.

I was in your same position...I logged the time...Logging that time eventually led to me going to king air school which eventually led to more King Air time, which led to my current job, flying/managing a P91 King Air...

You're in a position most people don't get at your time...Take advantage of it.
 
Whitebread said:
Do you have a high altitude and a high performance endorsement. Second, is your buddy logging flight time on those legs and is he/she an MEI? If you buddy is not an MEI and is not providing instruction to you, then only one of you can log the time per flight. The King Air B200 only requires one pilot to fly it, so if you are not a commercial pilot and flying under fractional ownership of part 91, only one of you can log the time.

What type of flying is being done when you are logging sole-manip time in this King Air? If you do not hold a commercial ticket yet, these must be empty legs flown part 91.

If you buddy is just joy riding in his King Air and letting you fly, that's cool. It becomes dicey when you look at the later parts of part 91 flying and Operation/Fractional Ownership flying.
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Yes, yes, and yes.
 
MikeOH58 said:
God, not this argument again...If you are flying the airplane log the hours.

I was in your same position...I logged the time...Logging that time eventually led to me going to king air school which eventually led to more King Air time, which led to my current job, flying/managing a P91 King Air...

You're in a position most people don't get at your time...Take advantage of it.
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I know it. Some times it seems like people get pissed off that you are logging this time. Sorry, but I'm going to log what time I can at this stage.
 
troopernflight said:
I know it. Some times it seems like people get pissed off that you are logging this time. Sorry, but I'm going to log what time I can at this stage.
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Assuming you are qualified in the aircraft, or the other pilot can give dual, log it. When I was a SE PP I'd go on charters in the twin. The PIC was a MEI and I logged one way as dual. The deal was when I got my Multi I'd use him for the instructor.

When I worked for the FAA the National Guard often took us for rides. I got to fly a little but you won't find and F106 (two seat) or F4 time in my log book.
 
troopernflight said:
I know it. Some times it seems like people get pissed off that you are logging this time. Sorry, but I'm going to log what time I can at this stage.
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I totally agree that someone can own a king air and let you fly it. I would just be real careful if you are logging time on flights that are for compensation or hire. Your original post did not mention if you were or weren't. That's all. My philosophy on logging time is that as long as you can explain what you logged and can back it up in the FARs, then by all means log it and gain the experience.
 
troopernflight said:
I know it. Some times it seems like people get pissed off that you are logging this time. Sorry, but I'm going to log what time I can at this stage.
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Assuming you are qualified in the aircraft, or the other pilot can give dual, log it. When I was a SE PP I'd go on charters in the twin. The PIC was a MEI and I logged one way as dual. The deal was when I got my Multi I'd use him for the instructor.

On the other hand when I worked for the FAA the National Guard often took us for rides. I got to fly a little but you won't find any F4 Phantom time in my log book.
 
troopernflight said:
I'm a private/multi working on my commercial. I have a friend who let's me fly sole-manip on a King Air 200. Of the 250 hours for commercial, roughly 40 of those will be King Air time. Will this raise a red flag during my commercial ride, or do you think I will be questioned about this? I know it's probably not the typical type of logged hours they are used to seeing at my experience level. All in all, I know it doesn't matter. But I just wanted to be prepared for anything that may come up. Thanks.
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There isn't any discussion, you are sole manipulator certificated in category and class. Log it.

The endorsements don't matter. Even if it was IFR and you don't have an instrument ticket, you still log it.

Your buddy may or may not be able to log the time when you were flying, but that is his problem (make life easier and do it under the hood;) more king air time probably doesn't matter to him anyway if he is flying one already.

All anyone will ever say about it is that you were lucky to get a bunch of PIC multi time ;).

And I have met more king air owners flying part 91 than comm pilots flying them 135, nothing at all unusual about a high time PPL flying one.
 
drunkenbeagle said:
And I have met more king air owners flying part 91 than comm pilots flying them 135, nothing at all unusual about a high time PPL flying one.
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We had one fly in the other day. I was talking to the guy and he said he bought it so he could take his kids and grandkids around the country and such.
 
troopernflight said:
I know it. Some times it seems like people get pissed off that you are logging this time. Sorry, but I'm going to log what time I can at this stage.
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I hate you for logging it but I respect your right to log it :beer:

The beagle is right. private pilot + rated in category and class + sole manipulator = logable PIC time. No qualified examiner should question it.
 
http://www.smartcockpit.com/plane/raytheon/BEECHCRAFT-KING-AIR-200/

If you have never gone to school, no one is going to expect you to know the airplane inside and out, but if you end up logging more than just a few hours, you should know some of the basic systems, as it's most certainly fair game at an interview if you have logged a ton of PIC in the airplane.

*I highly doubt you DPE will ask you any questions...This is more for interviews in the future
 
moxiepilot said:
Just curious... why did you ask if you were going to log it anyway?
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:yeahthat:

troopernflight said:
I knew it was legal to log it. I was just wondering if the examiner was going to question it or whether I needed to be prepared for questions on it.
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So what you really want to know is how your DPE will react? How can any of us possibly answer that? Why don't you just ask him?

As a rule of thumb, you should be prepared to defend every entry in your logbook. If you logged them all according to the regs, then it's easy.
 
Log it.
As far as the examiner, who knows what he/she will say. I'm sure he/she will ask some questions about it, considering you don't see too many low hr pilots with turbine time.
 
FWIW, when I went for my CFI at the FSDO, my examiner loved that I had King Air time logged, and thought I was very ambitious. That turned out to be the easiest checkride of my life, and I got a non instructing job 6 months later off the recommendation of the examiner!
 
Erik1010 said:
Log it.
As far as the examiner, who knows what he/she will say. I'm sure he/she will ask some questions about it, considering you don't see too many low hr pilots with turbine time.
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If he questions it say, "Boy, do you know who I am?"
 
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