Pulled it off! Time for IOE

Got a call, won't be on IOE until at least the middle of the first week of Dec at the earliest.

Oh darn!! What am I going to do with another paid week and a half off! It's just not fair!:D

Niiiice. Back in '07, when Mesa was hurting so bad for pilots, I had 3 months off from ground school to sim training. 3 month paid (at meager wages) vacation. Wasn't too shabby.
 
Keith way to go man!

Nice job. I know how much having personal stuff going on can mess with a training cycle. Good on you for bearing down and pushing your way through it.

Thanks. I am start to feel a bit like a cold hearted bastard for just pushing through with training after the death of a parent, but we haven't been close in a loooooooooong time. I just couldn't see giving up and starting over because someone I hadn't seen in almost 30 years passed away, even if it was my dad.


Niiiice. Back in '07, when Mesa was hurting so bad for pilots, I had 3 months off from ground school to sim training. 3 month paid (at meager wages) vacation. Wasn't too shabby.

Do what I'm doing: Lots of PS3 and Netflix. Gotta love a good long wait for IOE. ;)

Well, got the second call from scheduling!

"Hey, you're in luck. Your IOC Capt has picked up some extra time, and we'll be able to start your IOE on the 1st"

:banghead:

Lucky me!

Oh well, looks like the gravy train has pulled into the station. Time to start earning it.
 
Well, got the second call from scheduling!

"Hey, you're in luck. Your IOC Capt has picked up some extra time, and we'll be able to start your IOE on the 1st"

:banghead:

Lucky me!

Oh well, looks like the gravy train has pulled into the station. Time to start earning it.

Don't play "I'm too cool to like my job." You know you're excited to get started. ;)
 
want to update mine while you're at it? :)

:eek: You're on you own man!

This Rev.33 is already making me rethink my career!

(Anyone still have the number to that truck driving school? What was is, Truck Masters..... I might need that)

Have fun! And right now I'm remembering why I like ship sets. :)

And right now I hating you just a little bit! :)

Losing some love for guys with EFBs as well!

The Green Eyed Monster is sat besides me.
 
First IOE flight complete..... <KORD-KDEN-KORD>

The plane still flies..

Everyone walked away..

No lawsuits! (So far)..

I'm still employed!

All in all it went pretty good
I love this job!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks again to JC and the JC community! :)
 
First IOE flight complete..... <KORD-KDEN-KORD>

The plane still flies..

Everyone walked away..

No lawsuits! (So far)..

I'm still employed!

All in all it went pretty good
I love this job!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks again to JC and the JC community! :)

Congrats, dude! And ORD no less. Definitely an 'out of the pan, into the fire' way to start IOE.
 
Congrats, dude! And ORD no less. Definitely an 'out of the pan, into the fire' way to start IOE.

And I'm still cookin' man! :insane:

Every leg my IOE Capt was taking the leisurely landings into ELP or PHL, meanwhile I get slam-dunked into ORD every time. Certainly a crash course to learning.

Now if I can stop floating the plane 50' above the runway like a mentally challenged pilot the rest of IOE should go just fine.

(I'm going to try out some DVTPilot advice on Monday.........and always open for more, hint hint CRJ Drivers)
 
Now if I can stop floating the plane 50' above the runway like a mentally challenged pilot the rest of IOE should go just fine.

Never flown a CRJ, but my generic advice is to forget about making it smooth. Concentrate on putting the aircraft down in the touchdown zone and on speed, even if you thump it down. Beyond that, it's all style points anyway.

Oh, and one thing that was pointed out to me when I was brand new to jet flying was that I was subconsciously pitching up a degree or two when I got close to the runway, causing us to go high like you're talking about. Apparently it's pretty common. Once that was pointed out, I corrected it by concentrating on keeping the nose down to the normal flare height, even if it feels a little unnatural at first. Does the CRJ have the "land by sound" RA callouts (50, 40, 30, etc.)? That should help.
 
And I'm still cookin' man! :insane:

Every leg my IOE Capt was taking the leisurely landings into ELP or PHL, meanwhile I get slam-dunked into ORD every time. Certainly a crash course to learning.

Now if I can stop floating the plane 50' above the runway like a mentally challenged pilot the rest of IOE should go just fine.

(I'm going to try out some DVTPilot advice on Monday.........and always open for more, hint hint CRJ Drivers)

Floats during landing seem to be from pilots trying to flare like piston engine GA airplanes. Try to think of maintain an angle of attack, and fly the airplane onto the runway at Ref. Let the sink rate carry you, then just raise the nose a little to soften the descent rate. Don't be afraid to float a little. Just put it in the first 3000 feet of the runway and you're solid.
 
Never flown a CRJ, but my generic advice is to forget about making it smooth. Concentrate on putting the aircraft down in the touchdown zone and on speed, even if you thump it down. Beyond that, it's all style points anyway.

Oh trust me, the high flare is in no way an attempt to strive for passenger comfort. I think it is more of a reaction to the sensation of

" HOLY CRAP!!!!!"

when I approach around 50' and I'm still going 155+ kts.

I have to get used to the idea of flying it all the way to the ground, and the fact that the plane is designed to land at such speeds.

Oh, and one thing that was pointed out to me when I was brand new to jet flying was that I was subconsciously pitching up a degree or two when I got close to the runway, causing us to go high like you're talking about. Apparently it's pretty common. Once that was pointed out, I corrected it by concentrating on keeping the nose down to the normal flare height, even if it feels a little unnatural at first. Does the CRJ have the "land by sound" RA callouts (50, 40, 30, etc.)? That should help.

I am starting to pitch it up around 50', and not pulling the power all the way back to idle which then screws up the deployment of the ground spoilers. I had two good landings, and both of those were when I was not really trying.

The CRJ700 does call out the altitudes at 500' 100' and then 50' all the way down to touchdown. My IOE Capt told me to round out and go completely to idle at the 10' foot call. Rationally I thought "No problem, I'll do that," subconscious I thought "Are you nuts!!!! 10' !!!! We'll crash and DIE!!!"

I'll have to put that subconscious behind me and get the plane on the ground.



Floats during landing seem to be from pilots trying to flare like piston engine GA airplanes. Try to think of maintain an angle of attack, and fly the airplane onto the runway at Ref. Let the sink rate carry you, then just raise the nose a little to soften the descent rate. Don't be afraid to float a little. Just put it in the first 3000 feet of the runway and you're solid.

It is that raising the nose a little which is getting me. It is turning into raising the nose a lot!

I have been told that when you go to idle the thrust vector alone will pitch the nose to where it needs to be, so I'll give that a whirl tomorrow. I just want to get it into the touchdown zone, and get it on the centerline.
 
Oh trust me, the high flare is in no way an attempt to strive for passenger comfort. I think it is more of a reaction to the sensation of

" HOLY CRAP!!!!!"

when I approach around 50' and I'm still going 155+ kts.

I have to get used to the idea of flying it all the way to the ground, and the fact that the plane is designed to land at such speeds.

Yep! That's very normal when you're getting used to the speed. Remember, if you hold it off more than you should and bleed the speed, yes, you might very well find yourself in a hazardous situation. Remember, you have to fly a jet onto the runway. Right when you think you need to start flaring at 50', fight that urge, and keep the nose down. Use those RA callouts to help you judge where you should reduce thrust and start that small pitch up.

But seriously, does that CRJ really have a Vref of 155+ knots? If so, wow! That's moving right along.
 
Oh trust me, the high flare is in no way an attempt to strive for passenger comfort. I think it is more of a reaction to the sensation of

when I approach around 50' and I'm still going 155+ kts.

Fly it to the deck. The F-117 final approach was 170 plus fuel, plus ordnance, plus 1/2 the reported gust factor; add 15 knots for final turn speed. Heavyweight, and doing a circling approach one time, the computed circling speed was 215 for a final app of 200 knots.
 
Yep! That's very normal when you're getting used to the speed. Remember, if you hold it off more than you should and bleed the speed, yes, you might very well find yourself in a hazardous situation. Remember, you have to fly a jet onto the runway. Right when you think you need to start flaring at 50', fight that urge, and keep the nose down. Use those RA callouts to help you judge where you should reduce thrust and start that small pitch up.

But seriously, does that CRJ really have a Vref of 155+ knots? If so, wow! That's moving right along.

Bit of an exaggeration I guess, but we did a heavy landing a few days back (68,000), and they want you at Vref+5 until crossing the threshold. Vref was 137, the +5 was 144 and I was about 10 knots fast. The IOE capt was on to me about not worrying about being over on the airspeed (so I didn't), as I would bleed it off in the flare, so yeah on that one I was crossing about 155kts and about ready to crap myself.

I'll start getting used to it, but for the time being it is still a bit unnatural. :dunno:
 
I am starting to pitch it up around 50', and not pulling the power all the way back to idle which then screws up the deployment of the ground spoilers. I had two good landings, and both of those were when I was not really trying.

The CRJ700 does call out the altitudes at 500' 100' and then 50' all the way down to touchdown. My IOE Capt told me to round out and go completely to idle at the 10' foot call. Rationally I thought "No problem, I'll do that," subconscious I thought "Are you nuts!!!! 10' !!!! We'll crash and DIE!!!"

I'll have to put that subconscious behind me and get the plane on the ground.

Mind over matter, mang. You'll get it. Just fly the airplane all the way down and at around 10 feet increase back pressure just enough to check your descent rate. Smoothly, slowly reducing power to idle instead of chopping it to idle at a given altitude seems to help me. (YMMV, I fly the Jungle Jet, I've been on a CRJ jumpseat once.)

FWIW, when I was doing my my IOE observation rides, the IOE Captain was coaching a newhire on IOE while landing at night. He went Idle Thrust at 100 FEET. The Captain quickly prompted him once then pushed the thrust levers all the way forward. We hit like a ton of bricks.

It is that raising the nose a little which is getting me. It is turning into raising the nose a lot!
I have been told that when you go to idle the thrust vector alone will pitch the nose to where it needs to be, so I'll give that a whirl tomorrow. I just want to get it into the touchdown zone, and get it on the centerline.

This raising the nose business is not really the issue. It's about coordinated reduction of thrust while increasing angle of attack to cushion your rate of descent. Treating the two as mutually exclusive seems to be a hold-over from GA flying (I had it) and changes the game a lot. Just remember you have three things in play here- 1) a much, much heavier aircraft that relies on higher speeds because of a 2) very different airfoil that responds differently at slow speeds 3) along with a loss of induced flow lift because the engines are behind you.

All else fails- you are not trying to "stall the airplane on" or burp it onto the runway. Not even close. Granted, I had the opposite problem both with the Beech 1900 and the EMJ-145. Call me Sir Floats-Alot-Is-Afraid-Of-Touching-Down-Hard.

You'll get it. :beer:
 
Just have a good set of pithy one-liners for when you jam it on. Examples:

"Found it!"
"Take that, Chicago!"
"Eh, it's good for it!"

Etc. :) Seriously, don't be bothered by a somewhat firm landing in the touchdown zone. Do be bothered by a smooth landing outside the touchdown zone. Quit going for grease!
 
Just have a good set of pithy one-liners for when you jam it on. Examples:

"Found it!"
"Take that, Chicago!"
"Eh, it's good for it!"


This could be a thread in its own right. "Things to say when your landing isn't so graceful..."

"Spoilers: DEPLOYED!"
"Gear strut stress test: Complete!"

"Trying to scare the flight attendant again?"
 
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