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Hey everyone:

I recently spoke with a recruiter at Pan Am and had the great majority of my questions answered, however there is one that still concerns me and I was hoping someone here could help. There is a lot that hinges on being employed as a flight instructor, of the people that successfully complete the rest of the program, how many will be employed as flight instructors? (%)

Thanks to anyone that can offer any help on this subject
 
Run!, don't walk

your pocketbook will get one hell of a wild ride if you go there.

Remember alot of acadmies like to blow sunshine up peoples arses and tell them all sorts of wild ideas. But in reality the airlines dont care where you train at it can be Joe Schmoe's FBO or it can be Pan Am, it doesnt matter in the airline's eyes.
 
I was at PanAm for awhile... and when I was there (I left in february), a large number of people were hired as instructors... but they were put on waiting lists for months (some I knew had been waiting a year) before they could actually start instructing (too many students moving through, and not enough instructors getting hired). I'm sure it's improved a bit with the new upsurge in hiring at the regional airline level... but waiting a year for a promised job doesn't sound like too good of a deal to me. Beyond that, a lot of the instructors who were instructing only ended up putting a few hundred hours in their logbooks a year... simple math makes that quest for a regional airline position from a 2 year plan (1 year training, 1 year instructing), like PanAm promises, closer to a 4 or 5 year plan (1 year training, 1 year waiting, 2-3 years instructing).
 
You might also spend 4 or 5 years sitting on a park bench waiting for your next paycheck to walk by. Instructor jobs always suck. Having a nice facility to work in and new aircraft to fly can definatley make your time as an instructor feel less like being a used car salesman. But that's a personal decision we each have to make.
 
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I was at PanAm for awhile... and when I was there (I left in february), a large number of people were hired as instructors... but they were put on waiting lists for months (some I knew had been waiting a year) before they could actually start instructing (too many students moving through, and not enough instructors getting hired). I'm sure it's improved a bit with the new upsurge in hiring at the regional airline level... but waiting a year for a promised job doesn't sound like too good of a deal to me. Beyond that, a lot of the instructors who were instructing only ended up putting a few hundred hours in their logbooks a year... simple math makes that quest for a regional airline position from a 2 year plan (1 year training, 1 year instructing), like PanAm promises, closer to a 4 or 5 year plan (1 year training, 1 year waiting, 2-3 years instructing).

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Just correcting some facts here...

No instructors were waiting a year to instruct. There was no wait list until at least June 2003, so there's no way they could have waited a year to teach when you left 8 months later in February. I don't know exactly how long the wait was, but it was something like 3-6 months.

New instructors are now starting as soon as they finish the pre-hire stuff (indoc class and interview, backseat observation flights, and checkout flights) which takes 1-2 months after the final checkride. The instructors that are being interviewed and offered jobs this week by Skyway Airline started instructing in March 2003 or later, so they were instructing for 15 months or less.
 
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I was at PanAm for awhile... and when I was there (I left in february), a large number of people were hired as instructors... but they were put on waiting lists for months (some I knew had been waiting a year) before they could actually start instructing (too many students moving through, and not enough instructors getting hired). I'm sure it's improved a bit with the new upsurge in hiring at the regional airline level... but waiting a year for a promised job doesn't sound like too good of a deal to me. Beyond that, a lot of the instructors who were instructing only ended up putting a few hundred hours in their logbooks a year... simple math makes that quest for a regional airline position from a 2 year plan (1 year training, 1 year instructing), like PanAm promises, closer to a 4 or 5 year plan (1 year training, 1 year waiting, 2-3 years instructing).

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Just correcting some facts here...

No instructors were waiting a year to instruct. There was no wait list until at least June 2003, so there's no way they could have waited a year to teach when you left 8 months later in February. I don't know exactly how long the wait was, but it was something like 3-6 months.

New instructors are now starting as soon as they finish the pre-hire stuff (indoc class and interview, backseat observation flights, and checkout flights) which takes 1-2 months after the final checkride. The instructors that are being interviewed and offered jobs this week by Skyway Airline started instructing in March 2003 or later, so they were instructing for 15 months or less.

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With all due respect to you, you are not correcting the facts; you're spinning them. The guy that was at Pan Am gave an honest description of the flight instructor situation right now.
 
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Run!, don't walk

your pocketbook will get one hell of a wild ride if you go there.

Remember alot of acadmies like to blow sunshine up peoples arses and tell them all sorts of wild ideas. But in reality the airlines dont care where you train at it can be Joe Schmoe's FBO or it can be Pan Am, it doesnt matter in the airline's eyes.

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Amen to that!!! Seriously, I don't think that's said enough.
 
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I was at PanAm for awhile... and when I was there (I left in february), a large number of people were hired as instructors... but they were put on waiting lists for months (some I knew had been waiting a year) before they could actually start instructing (too many students moving through, and not enough instructors getting hired). I'm sure it's improved a bit with the new upsurge in hiring at the regional airline level... but waiting a year for a promised job doesn't sound like too good of a deal to me. Beyond that, a lot of the instructors who were instructing only ended up putting a few hundred hours in their logbooks a year... simple math makes that quest for a regional airline position from a 2 year plan (1 year training, 1 year instructing), like PanAm promises, closer to a 4 or 5 year plan (1 year training, 1 year waiting, 2-3 years instructing).

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Just correcting some facts here...

No instructors were waiting a year to instruct. There was no wait list until at least June 2003, so there's no way they could have waited a year to teach when you left 8 months later in February. I don't know exactly how long the wait was, but it was something like 3-6 months.

New instructors are now starting as soon as they finish the pre-hire stuff (indoc class and interview, backseat observation flights, and checkout flights) which takes 1-2 months after the final checkride. The instructors that are being interviewed and offered jobs this week by Skyway Airline started instructing in March 2003 or later, so they were instructing for 15 months or less.

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With all due respect to you, you are not correcting the facts; you're spinning them. The guy that was at Pan Am gave an honest description of the flight instructor situation right now.

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How was that spinning the facts? The facts as he stated them: 1 year training, 1 year waiting, 2-3 years instructing

The real and current facts: 1 year training, 1-2 month waiting, 12-15 months instructing. That adds to 2 1/2 years or less, not 4-5 years.
 
And not even a couple of threads below, the Flying Turkey said his wait to flight instruct was almost a year.
 
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Of course you don't have anything to say! What can you say? You've been caught in a lie!
 
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The real and CURRENT facts: 1 year training, 1-2 month waiting, 12-15 months instructing. That adds to 2 1/2 years or less, not 4-5 years.

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I'm not sure why I'm bothering to respond, Mav still won't be satisfied. But anyway Mav, read what that statement says: THE CURRENT FACTS.

I knows it's hard to believe, but sometimes things improve. The previous poster was talking about the situation 4 months ago, and overexaggerated at that. The Turk's wait ended 3 months ago, and he was in Florida. Things are better now, instructors are getting hired by the airlines which leaves room for new instructors to be hired.
 
Hey Mav, Eagle is interviewing Pan Am graduates at 700 hours TT now. You'll still be farting around in some old 152, and our CFI's will be at airlines. I thought you said the FBO route would be twice as fast? Wrong again!
 
As far as can determine, Mav and I became instructors within a few months of each other. This is difficult to figure out because he is very vauge on exactly when he finished his ratings and began instructing, or how much time he has now. However, currently I have twice the time as him with 1000+ multi, with over half of that multi turbine.

Either the academy or the FBO route is what you make of it. However, if I'd never taught at Pan Am I'd never have the multi time that got me to where I am today. I lucked out getting an opportunity to teach there when I did.
 
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Hey Mav, Eagle is interviewing Pan Am graduates at 700 hours TT now. You'll still be farting around in some old 152, and our CFI's will be at airlines. I thought you said the FBO route would be twice as fast? Wrong again!

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Easy now Turkey...Let's not start an US vs. the FBO flame war. Both routes are what you make of them. Unfortunately for Mav, he has to justify his route because he couldn't hack it at the academy level. I sure that there are FBO trained people out there that have gone from zero to hero in a very short time, so let's not forget about them.
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Dont get me wrong, the FBO route may be better for some people, I agree. But Mav makes it seem like ANY FBO would be faster than Pan Am academy. For Him it may have been faster, but usually the FBO route does not offer the rigid fast paced training that academies offer. At most FBO's you decide how fast you want to go. And at most FBO's I doubt you will be averaging 90 hours a month as a CFI.
For me, I trained for 10 months, waited for 6 months, and will probably only be instructing for 10-12 months. That's just over 2 years from 0 time to an airline job. I think I've got Mav beat staying at Pan Am.
 
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Dont get me wrong, the FBO route may be better for some people, I agree. But Mav makes it seem like ANY FBO would be faster than Pan Am academy. For Him it may have been faster, but usually the FBO route does not offer the rigid fast paced training that academies offer. At most FBO's you decide how fast you want to go. And at most FBO's I doubt you will be averaging 90 hours a month as a CFI.
For me, I trained for 10 months, waited for 6 months, and will probably only be instructing for 10-12 months. That's just over 2 years from 0 time to an airline job. I think I've got Mav beat staying at Pan Am.

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Turk,

Don't take this as me bashing you or anyone, but most people will save money buy going to an FBO. I know you might get to an airline quicker, but sometimes the money saved will help in the long run.

I know this all depends on the situation you are in too, you age, income, etc. So to each ones own.
 
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Dont get me wrong, the FBO route may be better for some people, I agree. But Mav makes it seem like ANY FBO would be faster than Pan Am academy. For Him it may have been faster, but usually the FBO route does not offer the rigid fast paced training that academies offer. At most FBO's you decide how fast you want to go. And at most FBO's I doubt you will be averaging 90 hours a month as a CFI.
For me, I trained for 10 months, waited for 6 months, and will probably only be instructing for 10-12 months. That's just over 2 years from 0 time to an airline job. I think I've got Mav beat staying at Pan Am.

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Turk,

Don't take this as me bashing you or anyone, but most people will save money buy going to an FBO. I know you might get to an airline quicker, but sometimes the money saved will help in the long run.

I know this all depends on the situation you are in too, you age, income, etc. So to each ones own.

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I completely agree... It comes down to a personal choice. A choice that some may agree w/ and some may not. No one should be able to "judge" that choice, Period!
 
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