Procedure Turn
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EatSleepFly
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200 knots.
AIM 5-4-8a2
AIM 5-4-8a2
EatSleepFly
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200 knots.
AIM 5-4-8a2
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Which is generally why I always get the "Procedure Turn NA for Cat E aircraft" on IAPs that have a PT depicted as well as Cat E mins. Teardrop procedure tracks and penetration tracks are all we usually can negotiate and still maintain the "remain within" distance.
200 knots.
AIM 5-4-8a2
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Which is generally why I always get the "Procedure Turn NA for Cat E aircraft" on IAPs that have a PT depicted as well as Cat E mins. Teardrop procedure tracks and penetration tracks are all we usually can negotiate and still maintain the "remain within" distance.
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Here's a question for ya, Mikey!
Being a part of the A-10 community (which is another beast compared to the pretty boys in the Vipers), are there any adjustment problems? Or is it that Hog drivers are kind of maverick-types anyway it's an easy fit?
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The biggest adjustment problem was the heavy automation regards FMS, glass cockpit, heavy autopilot usage, etc. The jet flies differently than the straight-wing Hog. It doesn't "talk" to you at all. For example, the cockpit is sealed so tightly, that 190 knots and 480 knots sounds the same. Consequently, because all the flying is at night operationally, you lose one of your most basic "safety clues" to recognize when you're in an nose-down unusual attitude in the event your instruments were to fail. In the Hog, I could get a slight breeze from under the canopy seal in some of the jets, and consequently wind noise. In any event, you could definately tell the difference between slow and fast from the noise.
That being said, the missions of each respective airframe, though both air to ground, are entirely different.
Here's a question for ya, Mikey!
Being a part of the A-10 community (which is another beast compared to the pretty boys in the Vipers), are there any adjustment problems? Or is it that Hog drivers are kind of maverick-types anyway it's an easy fit?
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The biggest adjustment problem was the heavy automation regards FMS, glass cockpit, heavy autopilot usage, etc. The jet flies differently than the straight-wing Hog. It doesn't "talk" to you at all. For example, the cockpit is sealed so tightly, that 190 knots and 480 knots sounds the same. Consequently, because all the flying is at night operationally, you lose one of your most basic "safety clues" to recognize when you're in an nose-down unusual attitude in the event your instruments were to fail. In the Hog, I could get a slight breeze from under the canopy seal in some of the jets, and consequently wind noise. In any event, you could definately tell the difference between slow and fast from the noise.
That being said, the missions of each respective airframe, though both air to ground, are entirely different.
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Ignore this if it's classified, but are we still using 'dial a nukes' or is that just post-Vietnam junk?
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Nukes are still around, and the 117 has provision to carry them. There's still the consent panel in the cockpit. Currently, we don't due to not being able to meet the "2 man rule" when it comes to nuke handling.
Ignore this if it's classified, but are we still using 'dial a nukes' or is that just post-Vietnam junk?
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Nukes are still around, and the 117 has provision to carry them. There's still the consent panel in the cockpit. Currently, we don't due to not being able to meet the "2 man rule" when it comes to nuke handling.
One of my pals back in DFW flew F-106's and he'd say they'd practice the 'lob' manuever where they'd scream supersonic a few yards off hte ground, start a climb manuever, release on the vertical, roll out and haul ass 180 degrees from the entry point.
He said something like "Hell, if I had to actually do that, I'd release, climb up and watch the "Big Show" because if you survived the blast, you certainly didn't have an airfield to go back to or even a nation".
It's always interesting hearing the "War hawk" perspectives about limited exchanges and survivability and then hearing the perspectives of guys doing the actual "work" that knew that once the party started, it was game over!
He said something like "Hell, if I had to actually do that, I'd release, climb up and watch the "Big Show" because if you survived the blast, you certainly didn't have an airfield to go back to or even a nation".
It's always interesting hearing the "War hawk" perspectives about limited exchanges and survivability and then hearing the perspectives of guys doing the actual "work" that knew that once the party started, it was game over!
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One of my pals back in DFW flew F-106's and he'd say they'd practice the 'lob' manuever where they'd scream supersonic a few yards off hte ground, start a climb manuever, release on the vertical, roll out and haul ass 180 degrees from the entry point.
He said something like "Hell, if I had to actually do that, I'd release, climb up and watch the "Big Show" because if you survived the blast, you certainly didn't have an airfield to go back to or even a nation".
It's always interesting hearing the "War hawk" perspectives about limited exchanges and survivability and then hearing the perspectives of guys doing the actual "work" that knew that once the party started, it was game over!
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Sort of like the guys in the missile silos. What's your job supposed to be after you've "turned the key"? Are you still a missileer, seeing as how you have no more missiles to be in charge of?
One of my pals back in DFW flew F-106's and he'd say they'd practice the 'lob' manuever where they'd scream supersonic a few yards off hte ground, start a climb manuever, release on the vertical, roll out and haul ass 180 degrees from the entry point.
He said something like "Hell, if I had to actually do that, I'd release, climb up and watch the "Big Show" because if you survived the blast, you certainly didn't have an airfield to go back to or even a nation".
It's always interesting hearing the "War hawk" perspectives about limited exchanges and survivability and then hearing the perspectives of guys doing the actual "work" that knew that once the party started, it was game over!
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Sort of like the guys in the missile silos. What's your job supposed to be after you've "turned the key"? Are you still a missileer, seeing as how you have no more missiles to be in charge of?