Private Checkride question

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I'd just flat out say "here's two problems to solve. I see you've got your electronic E6B, so take problem #1 with the electonic, and I have a manual E6B you can use for the second problem. I'm not evaluating you on that second problem, just want to see your knowlege of the basics."

And go from there. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bandit.gif

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I'd be in a world of hurt. I'd just stare at you and say, uh, okay, you wanna show me how to use that thing?

Don't get me wrong, even though I fly GPS equipped planes and have a handheld one, I still can do dead reckoning, pilotage, and use the VORs and ADF. And I think it is very important that we as pilots know how to do that, no matter how fancy our airplane is. But I have never used a whiz wheel!
 
In the end, I think it probably comes down to the individual discretion of the instructor.

Personally, I'm of the opinion that if I really believe a student should know something, it's up to me to ensure that the student knows it. Part of the responsibility of being an instructor. If I'm doing my job correctly, that student will know more than just the PTS - (s)he'll know how to keep themselves alive.

When the student goes before the examiner, however, the student should be tested on those standards. If the examiner is doing his/her job, (s)he'll push that student to the very limits of his/her ability, and ensure that the applicant is indeed capable having that ticket.

I believe that the system, when used correctly, will turn out the product as it's meant to be produced. We, as instructors, are the line workers. we teach the students just about everything we possibly can.

The examiner? Well, that's quality control. The examiner ensures that the product meets the production criteria. The PTS is that criteria...Make any sense?
 
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Just tell the Examiner "Dont Touch my Shtuff" or "Dont cross this line,,,,I Mean it". Problem Solved. Include this in Your briefing to him.

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I wonder how the examiner would react.... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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If he attempts to deviate from what you told him in the brief, Tell him "Where you not just in this airplane with me 30 min ago when I told you ....."

Maybe I need to put one of these /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/spin2.gif in here before one of our JCers actually does this!
 
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In the end, I think it probably comes down to the individual discretion of the instructor.

Personally, I'm of the opinion that if I really believe a student should know something, it's up to me to ensure that the student knows it. Part of the responsibility of being an instructor. If I'm doing my job correctly, that student will know more than just the PTS - (s)he'll know how to keep themselves alive.

When the student goes before the examiner, however, the student should be tested on those standards. If the examiner is doing his/her job, (s)he'll push that student to the very limits of his/her ability, and ensure that the applicant is indeed capable having that ticket.

I believe that the system, when used correctly, will turn out the product as it's meant to be produced. We, as instructors, are the line workers. we teach the students just about everything we possibly can.

The examiner? Well, that's quality control. The examiner ensures that the product meets the production criteria. The PTS is that criteria...Make any sense?

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Agree with concept, though IMO, the PTS needs some revision too. A little more focus on basics. Once the PTS can be modified, it can become the new standard. Until that time, I test and grade to the standard (PTS), but try to give that extra "food for thought" that a stud can take with them, if indeed they need it. IMO, studs should take some learning out of an evaluation, rather than it being a 2 hour stess situation that they were happy to be done with, LOL. It's like saying to the stud "yes, you meet the standard. The base knowlege is there. You're at the bottom rung of the ladder now, so here's some things to take out of here, and if you like, build upon them....it'll only help you in the future."
 
Instead of my sarcasm, ill add something that may help.

When training a student for a checkride, you need to make sure that he is far and above ready to go. You have to factor in the checkride jitters and the fact that no one, or at least mere mortals, dont fly as well on checkrides. Also the examiner has only a few hours to see if the dude knows there junk, while you know what they know!


This may have already been said, but I dont read well without pictures. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/spin2.gif
 
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Awesome discussion, folks!! Good on everyone for being civil!!!

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This topic is just another one of those in aviation where there's 20 different ways to slice up the pie. All are valid, and in the end, you still get to eat pie. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
Speaking of, I just had a slice of cheesecake....hmmm, I drive myself crazy... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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