granlistillo
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Got an invent to apply for UAV slot in NY, but I am in the last stages of affiliated as a maintenace officer. Anyone interested in this AGR postition PM me. 

I have a buddy who got a UAV guard slot, trained through ENJPPT, and parlayed it into a job with the border patrol making decent money.
Not too shabby.
I have a buddy who got a UAV guard slot, trained through ENJPPT, and parlayed it into a job with the border patrol making decent money.
Not too shabby.
UAV's from ENJPPT? Wow, that is a low blow (though I guess as a Guard bum he probably knew it was coming)
Is it just me or does it seem like ENJJPT is full of Guard bums?![]()
Another word amongst the EN street is that some of the IPs don't like the Guard guys because they don't think they've "earned" their fighter slot. Don't know how much of that is true or not....but there's been quite a few washing out recently.... maybe just a coincidence
Aside from any weirdness coming from the IP side of the house (I'd probably take those rumors with a grain of salt), it kind of seems like the Guard is doing a disservice to their stud pilots with their selection style. Get all the way to T-38's, suck, and get sent home packing. At least with the merit based system that the active side uses, if you suck, they can ID you early on and send you to a more appropriate pipeline/airframe where you may very well excell. You can have all the prior civilian experience, and all the desire in the world to fly fast jets, and in the end, it just never clicks with some folks (or at least at the rate that it needs to given money/flight hour constraints).
You guys don't get stuck with whoever for 10+ years. All the same the process of getting selected into the Guard isn't an easy one. If someone doesn't do good in T-6s, it's possible to track T-1s and go to a Guard heavy unit.
Even with say Navy AD - there's guys that probably would have made awesome fighter pilots, but got into C-2/E-2s instead because of the needs of the service at the time.
some of the IPs don't like the Guard guys because they don't think they've "earned" their fighter slot. Don't know how much of that is true or not....but there's been quite a few washing out recently.... maybe just a coincidence
You can bust your butt to look awesome on a sheet of paper/application package, and still not perform in the air, so my point was that these guys would be at a disadvantage being contracted for a particular platform before ever knowing if it is somewhere that they would (1) do well in, and (2) enjoy. Either way, sounds like there is an "out" so to speak, so that's good.
The selection has changed since the old days when guys got plucked straight from primary (guys with jet grades no less) to go E2C2.
I'm guessing what the IPs really may not like is that a particular student may have an entitlement attitude, or hasn't had to really put in the sweat equity that active duty classmates have to in order to get a fighter assignment, and thus doesn't work as hard. That's a different thing entirely.
Fair point - just from hearing past stories (obviously the older method) there were plenty of guys that had jet grades who didn't make through, and on an older note, guys like Boyington and Gabreski who barely made it through flight school and went on to become some of the greats.
Well, I highly doubt that is the reason IPs may not "like" a particular student. Fellow students may have a chip on their shoulder that a particular student hasn't had to "earn" a position in a fighter unit, but IPs don't generally care in that way. IPs are fully aware how the ANG and Reserve thing works, and unless they're FAIPs they completely understand how that works into the system. From my time in IFF and SUPT, I've seen plenty of students go off to ANG fighter units that I thought wouldn't have made the cut if they were AD, but I never had any sort of personal feelings toward those dudes about not 'earning' the airframe they were going to.
I'm guessing what the IPs really may not like is that a particular student may have an entitlement attitude, or hasn't had to really put in the sweat equity that active duty classmates have to in order to get a fighter assignment, and thus doesn't work as hard. That's a different thing entirely.
From reading Baseops, it has been my impression that the animosity between AD and ANG/AFRES is not limited to fighter students at UPT. Seems like AD thinks that ANG/AFRES nitpicks the best assignments and leaves them the rest. Is that true?