granlistillo
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Got an invent to apply for UAV slot in NY, but I am in the last stages of affiliated as a maintenace officer. Anyone interested in this AGR postition PM me. 
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challenger
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Yay! UAVS! :crazy:
exerauflyboy5
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Hell yeah!!!!
frog_flyer
FredFlyer
Sounds Jack Sparrow-ish to me.
///AMG
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UAV's from ENJPPT? Wow, that is a low blow (though I guess as a Guard bum he probably knew it was coming)
ryan1234
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Word on the street is that ENJJPT has been dropping pretty much everything lately.
Superfly7XAF
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Is it just me or does it seem like ENJJPT is full of Guard bums? 
ryan1234
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Is it just me or does it seem like ENJJPT is full of Guard bums?
Another word amongst the EN street is that some of the IPs don't like the Guard guys because they don't think they've "earned" their fighter slot. Don't know how much of that is true or not....but there's been quite a few washing out recently.... maybe just a coincidence
Its indeed interesting.
The thought process amongst active-duty is that AD guys had to work to compete in phase-2 for a coveted fighter track slot in phase 3. Whereas ANG/AFRES guys come in already knowing what they have........an impression that they didn't have to "work" for it like the AD guys had to.
Thing is, NOTHING is guaranteed. If an ANG/AFRES guy who has a fighter doesn't perform well in Phase 2, there can be recomendation that he not continue with the fighter slot in phase 3.....have seen that happen firsthand. Too, the same guy can wash out of any phase, or even post-UPT.....seen that happen firsthand too.
///AMG
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Aside from any weirdness coming from the IP side of the house (I'd probably take those rumors with a grain of salt), it kind of seems like the Guard is doing a disservice to their stud pilots with their selection style. Get all the way to T-38's, suck, and get sent home packing. At least with the merit based system that the active side uses, if you suck, they can ID you early on and send you to a more appropriate pipeline/airframe where you may very well excell. You can have all the prior civilian experience, and all the desire in the world to fly fast jets, and in the end, it just never clicks with some folks (or at least at the rate that it needs to given money/flight hour constraints).
ryan1234
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You guys don't get stuck with whoever for 10+ years. All the same the process of getting selected into the Guard isn't an easy one. If someone doesn't do good in T-6s, it's possible to track T-1s and go to a Guard heavy unit.
Even with say Navy AD - there's guys that probably would have made awesome fighter pilots, but got into C-2/E-2s instead because of the needs of the service at the time.
///AMG
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Didn't know there was an option to go a different route. Sounds like a good compromise anyway. As for difficulty in getting selected, that's not really the point. You can bust your butt to look awesome on a sheet of paper/application package, and still not perform in the air, so my point was that these guys would be at a disadvantage being contracted for a particular platform before ever knowing if it is somewhere that they would (1) do well in, and (2) enjoy. Either way, sounds like there is an "out" so to speak, so that's good.
I will say from first-hand experience that the folks who get pulled for E2/C2 9 times out of 10 have had some major difficulties in phase 1 jets. If you barely scraped by in intermediate/phase 1, going into phase 2 will be like walking into a brick wall. The selection has changed since the old days when guys got plucked straight from primary (guys with jet grades no less) to go E2C2. If that were still the case, I would fully agree with you, but I do think they are doing a pretty good job currently of selecting folks for this track. In most cases, they pull the folks who more than likely would not have winged had they stayed in jets and gone onto advanced strike.
Hacker15e
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Well, I highly doubt that is the reason IPs may not "like" a particular student. Fellow students may have a chip on their shoulder that a particular student hasn't had to "earn" a position in a fighter unit, but IPs don't generally care in that way. IPs are fully aware how the ANG and Reserve thing works, and unless they're FAIPs they completely understand how that works into the system. From my time in IFF and SUPT, I've seen plenty of students go off to ANG fighter units that I thought wouldn't have made the cut if they were AD, but I never had any sort of personal feelings toward those dudes about not 'earning' the airframe they were going to.
I'm guessing what the IPs really may not like is that a particular student may have an entitlement attitude, or hasn't had to really put in the sweat equity that active duty classmates have to in order to get a fighter assignment, and thus doesn't work as hard. That's a different thing entirely.
ryan1234
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That's a good point - and I really don't know much about performing at flight school at this point.
Fair point - just from hearing past stories (obviously the older method) there were plenty of guys that had jet grades who didn't make through, and on an older note, guys like Boyington and Gabreski who barely made it through flight school and went on to become some of the greats.
You're right - which is probably where the rumors came from.
///AMG
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Wouldn't disagree with you there. Given enough time and flight hours, you could probably teach most aviators to do this stuff. The issue is the learning curve that is required when flying expensive jets that cost many man hours of mx/flight hour, and more importantly, jets that burn the weight of an 18 wheeler in gas every flight. For some, that lightbulb doesn't go "on" fast enough for the training to continue. For the guys in the strike pipeline, it normally ended up being the folks who were still struggling with the landing pattern after 20 fam flights, or those who just couldn't fly decent form after 25 form flights. Not bad pilots, but the day you start the advanced syllabus (which I think is basically the equivalent of your IFF), all those things become admin....the stuff that needs to be second nature, to and from the target/MOA/etc. As they say for most of the more advanced phases, you can fight the best BFM or weps pattern of your life, and if you goon away the rejoin/landing pattern/can't keep the ball on the lens, then the rest doesn't matter.
In the early 90s during the RIF, there were FAIPs doing double tours, essentially. I remember at Willie, FAIPs being PCSd due to the base closing, and when they went to the "new" UPT base such as Laughlin, the AF rehacked their FAIP clock due to paying for a PCS. So, these guys ended up as 6 or so year FAIPs. Then they'd get the ANG/AFRES kid who came in with a chip on his shoulder.....and well, that kid essentially singled himself out.
Hacker15e
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By "assignments", do you mean missions and deployment locations? I've seen that same foodfight between the herbivores on baseops and didn't understand it.