Pointless Forum?
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For a week there it was nice and quiet and things were good while people were respectful.
The forum would be useful if people handled the good and the bad with logic, professionalism, courtesy, and respect for one another, even if they disagree with them.
However the "no you're not" "yes I am" threads probably don't endear any prospective students to the school, IMHO.
I don't think it's more moderators that is the answer; it's more of a "how long do we let the train wreck go before we put it out of its misery" dilemna that we have to figure out amongst the existing moderators. We have let some threads hang out for well past the expiration date before we lock them or flush them, something that all of us on the site are very reluctant to do. We want to allow a free and open discussion, but it's often very certain that some people don't want that and will do all they can to send a thread to the blue goo (again, IMHO).
It's like I said before - do you want to use this forum to improve the school or destroy it? If it's the former, I say keep the forum; if it's the latter, it's probably not doing anyone any service in keeping it open - there are plenty of other places to trash the school instead of a forum solely devoted to it.
The forum would be useful if people handled the good and the bad with logic, professionalism, courtesy, and respect for one another, even if they disagree with them.
However the "no you're not" "yes I am" threads probably don't endear any prospective students to the school, IMHO.
I don't think it's more moderators that is the answer; it's more of a "how long do we let the train wreck go before we put it out of its misery" dilemna that we have to figure out amongst the existing moderators. We have let some threads hang out for well past the expiration date before we lock them or flush them, something that all of us on the site are very reluctant to do. We want to allow a free and open discussion, but it's often very certain that some people don't want that and will do all they can to send a thread to the blue goo (again, IMHO).
It's like I said before - do you want to use this forum to improve the school or destroy it? If it's the former, I say keep the forum; if it's the latter, it's probably not doing anyone any service in keeping it open - there are plenty of other places to trash the school instead of a forum solely devoted to it.
I agree with UPS.
DCA was actually my first choice when I began looking at the different flight schools. Not only did this forum inform me, but it also saved me around, I'm guessing, close to $70,000.
I think there is always going to be a certian level of "be true to your school", and that is fine. However, Jetcareers exists to keep people informed of the good as well as the bad aspects of both flying and the schools that teach it.
I consider this website imperative reading and I tell everybody I know about it, whether or not they are interested in flying. You never know when they might know somebody who is interested in persuing a career in this field.
DCA was actually my first choice when I began looking at the different flight schools. Not only did this forum inform me, but it also saved me around, I'm guessing, close to $70,000.
I think there is always going to be a certian level of "be true to your school", and that is fine. However, Jetcareers exists to keep people informed of the good as well as the bad aspects of both flying and the schools that teach it.
I consider this website imperative reading and I tell everybody I know about it, whether or not they are interested in flying. You never know when they might know somebody who is interested in persuing a career in this field.
Pointless forum? I often wondered why I still read this forum. It's about the only forum I read or post on (mostly because I actually went and taught there and can offer the truth of my experience). The reason I do take the time to read and post once in awhile is to see what truths, falsehoods or agendas are being spouted off in here. I feel sort of an obligation to tell "the rest of the story" if I can or know something of the situation. Is it getting pointless? I think very redundant is more like it. Someone asks a legit question, then some New poster tries to cut off the legs of the school for whatever agenda, an instructor (or so they say) will agree and second the post a few minutes later (also a new poster), then another instructor will pipe in and defend the school, then montana will kick in with something, then UPS will kick in and beat up marketing and the school for awhile, then fatbastard will sue someone, then an old alumni will post trying to paint more of the picture. Redundant, redundant, redundant. Maybe if all of the usual suspects stop posting in this Forum, it will go back to being new and novel. Doug, why not just block myself, UPS, Montana, Fatbastard, luv2av8 (and alter ego), et al. that usually post in this forum. That way this forum might not take up so much of your attention and actually might say something new instead of the usual bantor. I'd personally would be all for that, I could find much better things to do with my time then read the same things over and over. Any other takers?.
FatBastard
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This is certainly the "Falluja" of the forums as it's only product is "busywork" for moderators.
So I ask myself, "Self? Why not just put the DCA forum out of it's misery?"
Thoughts?
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Doug, I must agree with Mike Lewis. Thise thread show both sides of the issue and I agree the consumer must make a well informed choice. Of course if I had listened to you as well as all the rest of the JCers,............. well................. you know the story.
I hope thoughts can be exchanged professionally and we can all cut the personal attacks out. Or Doug, just break out the Pimp Stick!!
(Cue Gin and Juice, Playas and Pimps!!)
Top much Chappelle- whatever.
This is certainly the "Falluja" of the forums as it's only product is "busywork" for moderators.
So I ask myself, "Self? Why not just put the DCA forum out of it's misery?"
Thoughts?
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Doug, I must agree with Mike Lewis. Thise thread show both sides of the issue and I agree the consumer must make a well informed choice. Of course if I had listened to you as well as all the rest of the JCers,............. well................. you know the story.
I hope thoughts can be exchanged professionally and we can all cut the personal attacks out. Or Doug, just break out the Pimp Stick!!
(Cue Gin and Juice, Playas and Pimps!!)
Top much Chappelle- whatever.
FO_SHIZZLE
Well-Known Member
I'll do it
More moderators aren't really the answer. In fact, it'd probably create more "where did my post go?" and PM's about me being a forum Nazi about moving some non aviation-related post to the Lavatory because he, and I quote, "...wanted maximum effect by having it in General Topics".
I'll admit, I am no fan of the school, that's been made abundantly clear throughout the history of this website. I'm not a fan of the marketing, I'm not a fan of how the literature always seems to focus on where they can supposedly get you instead of focusing on the quality of the education, etc.
Show some respect for one another. Because when you don't, all you do is embolden and confirm predispositions of the 'other side'.
Like the program? Put your ego in your back pocket and explain away.
Don't like the program? Put your ego in your back pocket and explain away.
You'll reach a lot more people with a reasoned, unemotional dialogue.
I'll admit, I am no fan of the school, that's been made abundantly clear throughout the history of this website. I'm not a fan of the marketing, I'm not a fan of how the literature always seems to focus on where they can supposedly get you instead of focusing on the quality of the education, etc.
Show some respect for one another. Because when you don't, all you do is embolden and confirm predispositions of the 'other side'.
Like the program? Put your ego in your back pocket and explain away.
Don't like the program? Put your ego in your back pocket and explain away.
You'll reach a lot more people with a reasoned, unemotional dialogue.
FatBastard
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No doubt!
It's like a bunch of six year olds beating the crap out of each other under the guise that before someone loses an eye, one of the hall monitors is going to separate the melee.
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Did somebody say 6 year olds? (Mouthwatering) Little wee babies? MMMMMMMMMMM.........Babies................... (Drool rolls down face) And there already tenderized by beating each other up............. OHHHHH YEA!!!
Oh, sorry I got caught up in fantasty. (My attempt at a little comedic relief)
Doug, I agree with your previous post. Keep the emotions out, and post away. Only thing though, if someone feels like they have been disadvantaged, that may be a tall order, IMHO.
No doubt!
It's like a bunch of six year olds beating the crap out of each other under the guise that before someone loses an eye, one of the hall monitors is going to separate the melee.
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Did somebody say 6 year olds? (Mouthwatering) Little wee babies? MMMMMMMMMMM.........Babies................... (Drool rolls down face) And there already tenderized by beating each other up............. OHHHHH YEA!!!
Oh, sorry I got caught up in fantasty. (My attempt at a little comedic relief)
Doug, I agree with your previous post. Keep the emotions out, and post away. Only thing though, if someone feels like they have been disadvantaged, that may be a tall order, IMHO.
FatBastard
New Member
Anymore comments? Anyone?
MuscleShirt
New Member
While I agree that this forum has been a sorority cat fight much of the time, I feel that doing away with it all together would be unfair.
Our school is one of the big ones, and whether people like DCA or not, it still deserves some attention when discussing flight schools. Pirep doesn't have a bad idea, but then we could just as easily get into a scuffle over who should be able to post and who should not. What I think a lot of people in this forum need to do is go back and read what Doug wrote as he was locking up the last thread. Some of the posts I've seen on here have been so horribly immature that I really do forget that I am supposed to be reading words typed by a professional pilot. That scares me...
Let's keep this forum up and running, let's stay professional, let's be informative!!! That's all I ask of anyone posting in MY SCHOOL's forum!!!!
Thanks!
Our school is one of the big ones, and whether people like DCA or not, it still deserves some attention when discussing flight schools. Pirep doesn't have a bad idea, but then we could just as easily get into a scuffle over who should be able to post and who should not. What I think a lot of people in this forum need to do is go back and read what Doug wrote as he was locking up the last thread. Some of the posts I've seen on here have been so horribly immature that I really do forget that I am supposed to be reading words typed by a professional pilot. That scares me...
Let's keep this forum up and running, let's stay professional, let's be informative!!! That's all I ask of anyone posting in MY SCHOOL's forum!!!!
Thanks!
everyone keeps mentioning this "professional" ideal...does anyone even know what it means? How is a heated arguement not professional? How does statement/rebutle not conform to the standards of our profession? And if anyone pulls the mature card im gonna bust out my own respect stick... There have been mild or incinuated threats which are certainly too far, but even those were not nearly direct! Evaluation of professionalism has no place in these forums. And MikeD I am gracious for your support moderating these boards, but I take great offense to your statement regarding any of our abilities to take responsibility for passengers. I dont know what kind of "unit" you operate, but if you operate with anything remotely close to aviation, you'd know that emotions are left at the preflight. This is a friggin internet forum! Not our life! So please be weary of your implications or flat out insults to our abilities.
pardon the spelling, wouldnt want another hoo haa to quote my mistakes and put it on a crucifix for all to see.
pardon the spelling, wouldnt want another hoo haa to quote my mistakes and put it on a crucifix for all to see.
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<snip>...but I take great offense to your statement regarding any of our abilities to take responsibility for passengers. I dont know what kind of "unit" you operate, but if you operate with anything remotely close to aviation,<snip>
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FYI, MikeD (Captain, USAF) is currently stationed in Korea and flies an F117 "Nighthawk" (Stealth) fighter. Previous A-10 "Warthog" driver with two tours of combat duty. Extensive civilian flying prior to military service, including Part 135 freight operations. ERAU grad.
Just as a general observation you may want to find out how big the boots are that someone wears before you go stepping on their toes. Then again, maybe not.
<snip>...but I take great offense to your statement regarding any of our abilities to take responsibility for passengers. I dont know what kind of "unit" you operate, but if you operate with anything remotely close to aviation,<snip>
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FYI, MikeD (Captain, USAF) is currently stationed in Korea and flies an F117 "Nighthawk" (Stealth) fighter. Previous A-10 "Warthog" driver with two tours of combat duty. Extensive civilian flying prior to military service, including Part 135 freight operations. ERAU grad.
Just as a general observation you may want to find out how big the boots are that someone wears before you go stepping on their toes. Then again, maybe not.
Spicy discussion is fine, but let's not confuse a Jerry Springer-style melee with Dr. Phil ripping in on an indifferent husband about taking care of his family.
Personally, and I mean this as constructively as possible, but if I was a potential student of DCA, admittedly the forum would have turned me off long ago.
Check out any other forum on the site, mostly if someone says 'Hey! Only losers go to XYZ' there's at least some aire of reasoned debate. But here, holy cow, everyone's flinging warm steamy poo like angry monkeys at the zoo!
I'm not sure how to define professional, but don't in a million years think that this is a big industry. Playing "Seven Degrees of Iain Holmes" wouldn't be a challenge for any two aviators.
Personally, and I mean this as constructively as possible, but if I was a potential student of DCA, admittedly the forum would have turned me off long ago.
Check out any other forum on the site, mostly if someone says 'Hey! Only losers go to XYZ' there's at least some aire of reasoned debate. But here, holy cow, everyone's flinging warm steamy poo like angry monkeys at the zoo!
I'm not sure how to define professional, but don't in a million years think that this is a big industry. Playing "Seven Degrees of Iain Holmes" wouldn't be a challenge for any two aviators.
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I'm not sure how to define professional, but don't in a million years think that this is a big industry. Playing "Seven Degrees of Iain Holmes" wouldn't be a challenge for any two aviators.
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Sing along now:
"It's a Small world after all......"
I'm not sure how to define professional, but don't in a million years think that this is a big industry. Playing "Seven Degrees of Iain Holmes" wouldn't be a challenge for any two aviators.
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Sing along now:
"It's a Small world after all......"
DE727UPS
Well-Known Member
"Anymore comments? Anyone?"
Personally, I've think some of the exchanges between FatBastsard and some of the DCA guys have crossed MY line of internet decorum. If I was a MOD, a good deal of the exchanges between FatBastard and the rest would have disappeared as soon as I read them. In my view, the MOD's at jetcareers are way too loose with what's allowed. No disrespect to the fine folks that run this site...but that's what I think.
FatBastard, an unusually high number, no, I'll say an unprecedently high number of your posts cross the line and the MOD's should have made them go away.
And you can keep your naked baby humor to yourself...
Personally, I've think some of the exchanges between FatBastsard and some of the DCA guys have crossed MY line of internet decorum. If I was a MOD, a good deal of the exchanges between FatBastard and the rest would have disappeared as soon as I read them. In my view, the MOD's at jetcareers are way too loose with what's allowed. No disrespect to the fine folks that run this site...but that's what I think.
FatBastard, an unusually high number, no, I'll say an unprecedently high number of your posts cross the line and the MOD's should have made them go away.
And you can keep your naked baby humor to yourself...