Plane crash in Long Island kills 1

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http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...lls-1-suspends-lirr-service-article-1.2327524

The plane was travelling from an airport in Long Island to Morristown, N.J., when it came down on the Ronkonkoma line of the Long Island Rail Road near South Oyster Bay Road in Hicksville, cops said.

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ocdflyboy said:
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...lls-1-suspends-lirr-service-article-1.2327524

The plane was travelling from an airport in Long Island to Morristown, N.J., when it came down on the Ronkonkoma line of the Long Island Rail Road near South Oyster Bay Road in Hicksville, cops said.

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I wish I could have been near by when this picture was taken so I could know why the cop is standing in front of a pile of twisted wreckage, where someone has lost their life, and has a giant smile on his face.

I am sure that, taken in context, everyone was acting and reacting appropriately, but man that was just an ill timed photo.
 
Lately any time an article about a crash is written and the crash happened in a populated area I've noticed that they always make it a point to mention in the article how people were inconvenienced by it.

Now I don't know the cause of this accident and I wont speculate at all, it's the response to the media I'm commenting on. It's already expensive to get into GA and now public opinion seems to be turning against it. All segments of aviation appear to have a professionalism problem.

The best thing we, as pilots, can do is confront our skill, attitude, and judgement deficiencies and be completely serious about what we do. I might be preaching to the choir saying this in a place where people spend their free time learning, talking, hangar flying.

The alternative is that GA will continue to decline, airports will continue to close and things will get worse for all of us. Eventually when enough pilots can't be found or when pilots are no longer respected pilotless airplanes will be an inevitability, after all, autopilots don't drink, autopilots don't get fatigued, and autopilots don't make questionable decisions (or any decisions at all really).

Please look at yourself critically and do your absolute best not to be the person who's death spawns an article about how inconvenienced people are.
 
X-Forces said:
I wish I could have been near by when this picture was taken so I could know why the cop is standing in front of a pile of twisted wreckage, where someone has lost their life, and has a giant smile on his face.

I am sure that, taken in context, everyone was acting and reacting appropriately, but man that was just an ill timed photo.
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When you see that sort of stuff every day it becomes just something in the background.

Similar (but not as extreme) example: People boarding a plane and wondering why the pilots are laughing up front. THIS IS SERIOUS BUSINESS. NO LAUGHING ALLOWED!
 
BobDDuck said:
When you see that sort of stuff every day it becomes just something in the background.

Similar (but not as extreme) example: People boarding a plane and wondering why the pilots are laughing up front. THIS IS SERIOUS BUSINESS. NO LAUGHING ALLOWED!
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That's my guess as well. I know lots of first responders in various states, and they have all told my some pretty horrific stories of what they have to witness day in and day out. I know about a dozen 9/11 first responders, and I have view the photos that leave nothing to the imagination.

In a way it is probably some what of a physiological defense mechanism, trying to stay light in the face of horror and unpleasant events. I don't fault him at all, it just kind of sucks for any family member or friend that happens to view a photo where someone is smiling in front of the spot where a loved one perished.


As far as laughing up front, people would probably be more upset to know that most of the time we are cracking up, we are laughing at them! Sometimes the boarding process is better then flipping through the "People of Walmart" website!
 
BobDDuck said:
When you see that sort of stuff every day it becomes just something in the background.

Similar (but not as extreme) example: People boarding a plane and wondering why the pilots are laughing up front. THIS IS SERIOUS BUSINESS. NO LAUGHING ALLOWED!
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Yeah in general first responders have some of the weirdest creepiest senses of humor of any people I've ever met.
 
Roger Roger said:
Yeah in general first responders have some of the weirdest creepiest senses of humor of any people I've ever met.
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And we're actually kinda' proud of it.

Never doubt, though, that we give our best even at the cost of our own lives and a piece of our souls.

There are times we smile through the scars with our brethren just so we have the strength, emotionally, to stand in the breach one more time.
 
Bob Ridpath said:
And we're actually kinda' proud of it.

Never doubt, though, that we give our best even at the cost of our own lives and a piece of our souls.

There are times we smile through the scars with our brethren just so we have the strength, emotionally, to stand in the breach one more time.
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As a former NYPD Officer there's a perspective that the rest of civilian population doesn't ever get a chance to experience. And so we have to put on a strong face for society.

And my sense of humor is total irreverent sarcasm.
 
Roger Roger said:
Yeah in general first responders have some of the weirdest creepiest senses of humor of any people I've ever met.
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Two weeks ago, I witnessed a horrible motorcycle accident.

An SUV had turned left in front of a bike traveling 50-60mph. The bike's passenger was thrown and broke her pelvis. The bike's driver took the worst of the impact.

I summoned what I remembered from various first aid courses. The driver was choking on his chinstrap, which I cut off with electricians scissors I had in my truck. I was concerned about a spinal injury but was equally concerned with this bleeding. He was face down and bleeding from his femoral artery. I felt bone and did my best to apply pressure and slow blood loss. EMT's were on the scene five minutes later.

No heroics. I did what I could. This 50 year old guy cried most of the way home. I think the gallows humor is a survival skill for first responders.
 
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Pilot Fighter said:
Two weeks ago, I witnessed a horrible motorcycle accident.

An SUV had turned left in front of a bike traveling 50-60mph. The bike's passenger was thrown and broke her pelvis. The bike's driver took the worst of the impact.

I summoned what I remembered from various first aid courses. The driver was choking on his chinstrap, which I cut off with electricians scissors I had in my truck. I was concerned about a spinal injury but was equally concerned with this bleeding. He was face down and bleeding from his femoral artery. I felt bone and did my best to apply pressure and slow blood loss. EMT's were on the scene five minutes later.

No heroics. I did what I could. this 50 year old guy cried most of the way home. I think the gallows humor is a survival skill for first responders.
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I raised my Gentlemen Jack in your honor, good on you sir.
 
Pilot Fighter said:
Two weeks ago, I witnessed a horrible motorcycle accident.

An SUV had turned left in front of a bike traveling 50-60mph. The bike's passenger was thrown and broke her pelvis. The bike's driver took the worst of the impact.

I summoned what I remembered from various first aid courses. The driver was choking on his chinstrap, which I cut off with electricians scissors I had in my truck. I was concerned about a spinal injury but was equally concerned with this bleeding. He was face down and bleeding from his femoral artery. I felt bone and did my best to apply pressure and slow blood loss. EMT's were on the scene five minutes later.

No heroics. I did what I could. This 50 year old guy cried most of the way home. I think the gallows humor is a survival skill for first responders.
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So you're the guy not filming it on the iPhone. Rare to see people like you these days. One peak at a place like liveleak.com shocks me not just the actual footage, but how many people continue filming it instead of helping the poor human being.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
So you're the guy not filming it on the iPhone. Rare to see people like you these days. One peak at a place like liveleak.com shocks me not just the actual footage, but how many people continue filming it instead of helping the poor human being.
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I'm not sure I agree. I think the gawkers and idiots are disproportionately represented on the Internet. Maybe things are different in the South.

The point of my post was to praise those that make a choice to expose themselves to traumatic events and suggest that gallows humor deserves a pass. I was somewhat surprised at my less than stoic response after the dust cleared.
 
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